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het Motley or just a Temperature caused?
10-03-2010, 05:07 AM
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het Motley or just a Temperature caused?
Ok at first these lil critters come from a Anery x classic het amel het anery pairin.
In the whole clutch there were these very odd lookin normals.
A friend of mine hatched em out n now we are debating bout if the parents
are het motley or is itīs just caused of incubating temperatures.
In my opinion both parents are het motley but whats your guess?
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10-03-2010, 08:27 AM
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Het motley, to my knowledge, has never had a *ringer*. Drizzt hatched almost an entire clutch of notleys that look very similar to yours. You should chalk it up to complete randomness and nothing more.
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10-03-2010, 10:00 AM
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It would be kind of cool to hold back a pair to breed together. _Something_ is going on. I have not heard of temps/incubation incidents causing a change in belly pattern...
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10-03-2010, 10:24 AM
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Indeed thatīs exactly what iīm thinking about!
Even the lateral and head pattern are totaly wierd
n i havent ever seen corns with that kinda pattern
caused from incubation temps!
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10-03-2010, 10:29 AM
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Check out this thread...
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/sho...d.php?t=101235
Nanci, i know you were in on the thread, so you know Drizzt got a few babies patterned like this one, though his had much more patterning on the belly. Yet his animals have no motley in them so far as he can trace back through his records.
Id say fluke before i ever considered saying ringer.
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10-03-2010, 10:52 AM
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Yeah, but Brent's babies didn't have nearly-plain bellies like this one. Well, there was one with split belly checks, which is one sign of the masque gene (wonder if it was female). But Brent's didn't have connected "mots" like these do. The head pattern here is bizarre. It doesn't seem like neural crest migration was affected during incubation because the pattern is symmetrical, not offset.
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10-03-2010, 10:56 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
Yeah, but Brent's babies didn't have nearly-plain bellies like this one. Well, there was one with split belly checks, which is one sign of the masque gene (wonder if it was female). But Brent's didn't have connected "mots" like these do. The head pattern here is bizarre. It doesn't seem like neural crest migration was affected during incubation because the pattern is symmetrical, not offset.
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Ive produced connected mots from not mot x not mot pairings before. I like to think of them as cleaner zig zags. And as for the belly issue, mots can have belly checks, so why cant non mots have no belly checks?
I know corns have been bred for a long time now, or so it seems, but i dont think we've seen nearly everything that we're going to see.
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10-03-2010, 11:04 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fyrefocks
I know corns have been bred for a long time now, or so it seems, but i dont think we've seen nearly everything that we're going to see.
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Exactly. I'm saying _I_ think it's more likely a genetic influence of a known or unknown gene or combination of genes rather than a developmental fluke. I'd like to see the whole clutch!!
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10-03-2010, 11:11 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nanci
Exactly. I'm saying _I_ think it's more likely a genetic influence of a known or unknown gene or combination of genes rather than a developmental fluke. I'd like to see the whole clutch!!
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If this is the case, then what are the odds that Drizzt and the OP both hit the same known/unknown gene from parents that probably arent related? Astro-hugely-gargantoginormously near impossible!
That being said, OP and Brent need to work something out. I know B. kept at least one of those oddities back for himself.
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10-03-2010, 11:47 AM
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I don't think they look at all alike.
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