Nationwide CCW bill

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJ8HI6ki24E

Of course, Congress critters want to have their own right to CCW without having to obtain a permit, but at least perhaps even the anti-gunners there are beginning to see the light and understand what we have been trying to tell them all along.

Well, I have to say I don't want to ever see Pelosi or Schumer with a loaded weapon. Their mouths alone cause enough turmoil in the U.S. The first thing those two would do is shoot themselves in the foot again.

Twolunger said:

Well, I have to say I don't want to ever see Pelosi or Schumer with a loaded weapon. Their mouths alone cause enough turmoil in the U.S. The first thing those two would do is shoot themselves in the foot again.

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Heck, I'm all for both of them having guns. Here is the perfect model for them... :laugh:

Okay, you've convinced me.

I travel alone both in and out of state, for hundreds of miles. I always CC. Who would know unless I needed to use it? I'd rather deal with the legalities later than be a victim somewhere.

A wise decision. It's very hard to argue your case when you are deceased. One of my friends says he would never bring a gun into his home. I told him I respect that, but wouldn't let that info be widely known.

DLena said:

I travel alone both in and out of state, for hundreds of miles. I always CC. Who would know unless I needed to use it? I'd rather deal with the legalities later than be a victim somewhere.

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And it is not fair that you should have to be placed in the position of making such a decision. (1) carry a firearm and attempt to protect yourself and possibly wind up in jail as a result, or (2) not carry a gun and hope for the mercy of anyone who would happen to try to rob you or have intentions to injure you.

No one should be placed in the position of having to hesitate even a microsecond if they find themselves in a possible life or death situation when having and using a gun in their defense would make all of the difference in the outcome.

And it is not right for a legal citizen of the USA to have to face such a decision if they happen to be on the wrong side of a state line when something like that happens.

Twolunger said:

A wise decision. It's very hard to argue your case when you are deceased. One of my friends says he would never bring a gun into his home. I told him I respect that, but wouldn't let that info be widely known.

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Yeah, seems that very few anti-gunners would be willing to wear an armband stating their position, or post a sign in their yard that their house is a gun free zone. Now why is that, do you suppose?

Because doing so would make you an easier target? Hmmmm. But be educated, practice shooting to develop familiarity and skill, and keep your firearm secure. I worked a few years as a customs inspector, while getting my teaching career off the ground. My pistol has always been a tool, not a status symbol or a toy. And how I handle it isn't going to change when I cross a state line.

Each state has their own laws, and of course when leaving one state and entering another you have to know the laws of each state. Here in Tennessee they don't call it a "Concealed Carry Permit" rather it's simply referred to as a "Carry Permit." You can conceal it if you wish or carry it openly. Lots of people open carry, I do too usually. It depends on how I am dressed and where I am going.

A lot of folks think that openly carrying makes you a target for the "Bad Guys." That may be true, but most of the so called Bad Guys just want to commit their crime and leave the scene quickly as possible and they'd prefer an "Easy Mark" over one that fights back.

As far as "Nationwide Carry Laws" I don't see it happening anytime soon. First of all you have states like New York, California, Massachusetts, New Jersey, Illinois, Hawaii. (and others) that don't even let their own citizens carry, they sure as hell aren't going to let me waltz in there with my Beretta. And in order to have "Nationwide Carry" then the only way it would get passed is with the consent and approval of these Freedom Hating States and they'd have to have some input and say so into that law. Personally I don't want some Liberal Freedom Hating Commie from Massachusetts or Illinois telling me how to carry my gun.

My Tennessee permit is currently honored by 27 other states. I do business with those folks, and keep my happy ass out of the commie states.

NY CITY is its own fiefdom for guns, snakes, and other things. My CCW permit is issued in Erie County and is good everywhere else in the state except for NYC, schools, government buildings, though government buildings will hold it for me to reclaim once I am leaving the building.
Karl! Thanks for the thought on non-resident permits. I'm going to snag one for NH, because that permit is good in PA, OH, and other states I travel to most often.

If I am reading this correctly, each state has already agreed to recognize the laws and licenses of other states when they became part of the United States of America.

Article IV, Section 1: Full Faith and Credit
Text:
Full Faith and Credit shall be given in each State to the public Acts, Records, and judicial Proceedings of every other State. And the Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof.

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Explanation:
Each state is required to recognize the laws and records (such as licenses) of other states and to enforce rights in its own courts that would be enforced in other state courts.

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Source: https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/article-iv-states-relations

This applies to a driver's license, so why not a CCW permit? It appears to me that the US Constitution does not allow states to pick and choose which licenses and permits they can recognize or not recognize.

But of course, the liberals will claim anything passed of this nature as being unconstitutional. Which appears to be a card they are playing a lot lately.

Of course, where was their concern of constitutionality when the "assault" weapon ban (among a LOT others) was passed? :noevil:

It seems that guns fall outside that Article...as was determined by persons unknown and in the past. If NYS finds that I am safe and able to responsibly carry, then how do I suddenly become unsafe and irresponsible when I drive across an imaginary line?
Certain issues immediately draw unreasonable attitudes and actions - kneejerks -... guns, reptiles, reproduction, gender identity... from otherwise reasonably balanced people.
Whatever happened to the idea of "least restrictive" government? When did this country lose sight of this founding principle?

of course guns fall out of it. Liberals hate guns. They don't even let their own citizens carry, they sure won't let somebody from another state carry.

DLena said:

NY CITY is its own fiefdom for guns, snakes, and other things. My CCW permit is issued in Erie County and is good everywhere else in the state except for NYC, schools, government buildings, though government buildings will hold it for me to reclaim once I am leaving the building.
Karl! Thanks for the thought on non-resident permits. I'm going to snag one for NH, because that permit is good in PA, OH, and other states I travel to most often.

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I'm not necessarily recommending non res permits to you. I'm simply stating my home state permit is recognized by a large number of other states through reciprocity. Unfortunately for you, being in New York, you won't find too many states that will acknowledge your permit, nor will you find any state to issue you a non resident permit either. Most states only offer permits to residents of that state. There are a few states that offer non resident permits, but the law can be tricky here. I don't think you could find one permit that would grant you carry status in many states being a non resident, you'd have to have a permit for every single state you intended to carry in.

My suggestion would be to leave New York, run away, fast and far, run like the wind, and move to one of the southern free states of America, - Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, The Carolinas, Mississippi, Louisiana, or Texas. The weather is better in these states, the Taxes are lower, and Guns are accepted, appreciated, and recommended.

After I retire from teaching? I don't think I'd be able to afford to live out of state with the way my NYS penguin would be taxed. . And I have a hard time physically with high humidity. But I hear you...

♫♪♫♪ ... These are a few of my favorite things.... ♫♪♫♪

Next to Playing guitars and jamming with my band, and My pet snake Rufus, Firearms rank right up there on my list......

Karl_Mcknight said:

My suggestion would be to leave New York, run away, fast and far, run like the wind, and move to one of the southern free states of America, - Tennessee, Georgia, Alabama, Florida, The Carolinas, Mississippi, Louisiana, or Texas. The weather is better in these states, the Taxes are lower, and Guns are accepted, appreciated, and recommended.

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One definite benefit of living in Florida is that there is no state income tax. Not to mention the weather, in that all those months you really don't enjoy being outside up north? That's not the case down here. So if you enjoy being outdoors without freezing off extremities during the Winter, you gain a whole lot more of your outdoor life than you had before.

Yeah, it does get hot and humid, and there are mosquitoes some times and some places, but if Florida were perfect, then I guess everyone would be living here. And we would all be living shoulder to shoulder. Then it wouldn't be perfect anymore, now would it? You need to figure out what is important to you, and run with that baton in your hand.

Looking at your target, Karl. Please remind me to never ever get on your bad side. On the other hand, are your skills for hire?

Skills for hire? As in a "Hit Man?" Absolutely not.

But I have been an avid gun owner, shooter, collector, enthusiast since I was a youngster. (I had a rifle and shotgun when I was 12 and got my first pistol at 21 only because the law made me wait that long).

In Tennessee when you apply for your Carry Permit, you are required to take classes in Firearms Safety, The use of Deadly Force, and Firearms Law. In other words, how to operate your gun, when can you legally shot somebody, and what will happen to you if you do.

And my instructor was a Local Sheriff in my area and he told all of us in the class - "If you're going to be out on the streets carrying a firearm in public, you owe it to yourself and the entire community to be as proficient with it as possible."

I take that seriously, I joined a local gun club and we shoot every weekend. It's not only great fun, but it helps to "Hone your Skills."

One of the Cardinal rules of gun safety is - "You are responsible for every bullet that comes from your gun." If I couldn't shoot as well as I do, I'd feel myself not responsible enough to carry.

On a similar note - One day while shooting at the range 2 police officers were there shooting beside me. After a few minutes one of the officers said to me, "Damn, you're a better shot than everybody in our department." I took that as a compliment, but it also made me wonder why are we paying tax dollars to fund men in uniforms that carry guns, and can't shoot as good as an "Average Joe?"

The reason is, I am out there every weekend practicing, and these guys never shoot their guns except for their yearly required Qualifying. To me, that's very scary.