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Originally Posted by huneymonkey
Here are some pics of the ones I got from Mike from an Ultra Motley het Amel to an Ultra het Motley and Amel pairing.
Pic 1 Is the Butter motley which should answer Joes question
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This is not exactly what I was wondering about. “True” Butter Corns or “True” Butter Motleys can be produced from Shivers line of Ultras because the Amel, Caramel and Motley genes are in the mix. I was wondering what the difference would be in the phenotypes of Butter Corns and "Hypomel" Caramel Corns. We can call these same allele genes “Dilute” or “Hypomels” or what ever. Dilute in mammals is similar to hypos in reptiles, except that a dilute gene seems to dilute the base color of the animal into a different shade of color and is not tied to the black pigment.
The evidence strongly suggest that Ultra and Amels are on the same allele. There seems to be three phenotypes and the genotype combos to match up with the phenotypes are aa, uu, and au. Add in the Motley gene and three phenotypes also seem to be present. Now add in the Caramel gene and I would think that there would also be three phenotypes. A problem I see is that the Standard Hypo gene is in the mix as well and any and all of them could be homo for hypo.
I see some defendant differences in some of the “Amber” Corns and “GoldDust” Corns or Ultra Caramels. True Amber Corns can be produced from Shivers line. They would simply be Homo for Hypo and Caramel. I would guess that they would be the ones with some remaining black around the blotches. The “GoldDust” Corns do not have much if any remaining black. The confusing part is that some of these “Amber” Corns that have the retained black are reportedly out of Ultra X Ultra breedings and should be Homo for Ultra and not have any black.
What if they are actually out of Hypomel X Hypomel that were het for Caramel? They could in fact be true Amber Corns and not carry the Ultra gene at all. Shivers did not know that the Ultra and Amel gene were on the same allele, so he would assume that all Ultra looking corns were Homo Ultra, but this is not the case. Some of the “Ambers” out of the “Ultra” X “Ultra” breedings may only be true Amber Corns because they are acutally out of Hypomel X Hypomel breedings.
They do seem to be more yellow than regular Amber Corns, but the Ultra line comes from Brown and Yellow Corns. Perhaps the cause for the Amber Corns from this line being more yellow is simply that they are getting a double dose of normal yellow genes from both sides. Both lineages (Caramel and Ultra) come from corns that were high yellow Corns.