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BUF gene

Run a search for all threads started by slangenbroed. That should give you about all you can handle on buf.
 
I hear you can read all about it in the new 2010 Cornsnake Morph Guide! I haven't got mine yet. I never could stick with the buf threads. Hopefully Chuck can present it in a more coherent manner.
 
Nanci said:
I hear you can read all about it in the new 2010 Cornsnake Morph Guide! I haven't got mine yet. I never could stick with the buf threads. Hopefully Chuck can present it in a more coherent manner.
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i thought it was never been proven correctly that buf is new gene or somthing so i would wonder how that would fit in the new morph guide....

roman
 
Yeah Roman, thats what I also thought and I reread all the Buf discusions and they still did not had an end.
But maybe I oversaw some threats...
Would like to know, what is standing in the morph guide...
Greetings
Chris
 
There is not much in the 2010 morph guide about it...but it is listed as a 'confirmed' morph, rather than a "coming attraction". One key note though is that it is listed as a dominant morph, rather than a recessive...'buf' is dominant to wildtype. (bb=wildtype normal, Bb=buf, BB=buf)

"Buf
Buf is dominant to wildtype and modifies the color by removing the reds, leaving the saddles brown. It also turns the ground color to yellow. Overall it is similar to the effect of caramel, but it has not been as extreme as the caramel trait. It has been test bred with the caramel gene and does not act like an allele. [...]" CMG 2010, Charles Pritzel
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It was discussed on "the other" forum, I guess that is where more of the info is. I don't know if I'm convinced, I guess someday, when I feel up to it, I will have to find the info again. By my biggest complaint though is the word "buf" in general. I don't know why, but I find it highly annoying. What is buf? The buffalo-niagara airport code. Why not buff, though even that is kind of annoying. Buf makes me think of the bufo genus of toads. Another big annoyance with the word "buf" is you can't even use the forum search function for it, because it is only 3 letters.
 
ZoologyGirl said:
There is not much in the 2010 morph guide about it...but it is listed as a 'confirmed' morph, rather than a "coming attraction". One key note though is that it is listed as a dominant morph, rather than a recessive...'buf' is dominant to wildtype. (bb=wildtype normal, Bb=buf, BB=buf)



It was discussed on "the other" forum, I guess that is where more of the info is. I don't know if I'm convinced, I guess someday, when I feel up to it, I will have to find the info again. By my biggest complaint though is the word "buf" in general. I don't know why, but I find it highly annoying. What is buf? The buffalo-niagara airport code. Why not buff, though even that is kind of annoying. Buf makes me think of the bufo genus of toads. Another big annoyance with the word "buf" is you can't even use the forum search function for it, because it is only 3 letters.
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Yeah, I was thinking that myself. Even buff makes me think of the phrase "in the buff"... not something normally supposed to spring to mind when talking about corn snake morphs, I think. What about camel? Still produces images of a brown color and plays off it's caramel lookalike status.
 
From what I've seen discussed, and I'm by no means a genetic """expert""", the gene has never been conclusively tested to rule out an effect from Caramel. There's plenty of subjective evidence that slagenbroad shared, but where's the buf vs Caramel conclusive pairing?? Haven't seen it.

Where's the buf animal proven NOT het Caramel crossed with a pure Normal and buf recovered?? That's """confirmed""".

D80
 
Nanci said:
Do you think we just never got all the information?
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I don't know the answer to that Nanci. What I do know is that slangenbroad was asked several times, from the beginning, to do conclusive tests to rule out Caramel. Nothing he ever presented showed that. That's not necessarily confirmed in my book. :shrugs:

buf may very well be a new gene, I've never necessarily said it wasn't, but what I have asked to see is removal of the Caramel influence? Again, that hasn't happened that's ever been publicly shared and considering the time frame from the last time he shared information, I doubt it's been done so far.

It is what it is.
D80
 
Don't you think Chuck would require some sort of documentation before publishing it? I would like to think so.
 
buf may very well be a new gene, I've never necessarily said it wasn't, but what I have asked to see is removal of the Caramel influence? Again, that hasn't happened that's ever been publicly shared and considering the time frame from the last time he shared information, I doubt it's been done so far.

It is what it is.
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I think Slagen got out of corns and sold them all off.. Where ever they went. We don't know, and unless someone actually has them, no one I can remember mentioned it here... I don't think anything was ever conclusively confirmed eithier way.. I can't see how it was determined to be some new gene, without much evidence to back it up...

I totally agree Brent.. It is what it is...

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
Nanci said:
Don't you think Chuck would require some sort of documentation before publishing it?
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I'll decline the opportunity to answer that question as I'm sure I'll be accused of holding some sort of grudge, or chip on my shoulder, regarding mr. pritzel. :shrugs:

The facts regarding the buf gene, that I have read, include no evidence that excludes the Caramel gene. And I have given a more than honest effort in trying to wrap my head around 'buf'.

D80
 
I'll decline the opportunity to answer that question as I'm sure I'll be accused of holding some sort of grudge, or chip on my shoulder, regarding mr. pritzel. :shrugs:
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Your not the only one Brother.. Believe me.. *LOL*

Regards.. Tim of T and J
 
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