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carol said:
BTW, I certainly hope sigs are as powerful as you say they are, by this point many people will have thought they HAVE to visit my corner!

Without fun, it depends on how much you post and what you post - positive and negative. Both will give you clicks on "who the hell is this person". We recogniced much referers on the site when posting pictures, never got many when I postet the genetics. At this times, we have more referers from Kathys Links-section than from this board... I should give her something back
:crazy02:

I don't have newer pics of mine, but what about her sister?
lavenderbloodred011.JPG
 
I also have to do a little show cause I'm not in the CCC (nice alliteration the CoolCoinClub ~g~)

Oh yeah? So I'm a CCC from CCCorns? :grin01: Kew.

CCCCCCorns...

ka ka ka ka ka ka corns.

:D
 
Hurley said:
Oh yeah? So I'm a CCC from CCCorns? :grin01: Kew.

It was more for Serp with the CCC... but you aren't the CCC you are just a member of the CCC from CCCorns - we could continue celebrating that CCC and CCCorns stuff - but gets a little off-topic, because I can't clearly connect it to the threads topic.
 
Hmm, did I say I was the CCC? Nope. I do believe I said I was a CCC from CCCorns.

And I'll add the :-offtopic symbol to make it all ok for me to make a little joke.

:cheers:
 
Menhir said:
Let's take this for example:
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=158582&postcount=28
That are exactly the postings I mean - doesn't say, "just contributing members can edit" and I would still go with "as a Contributor you can buy special privileges such as...." no - it's always under the point "giving something back" and that means money in that case and thats the point according to my previous postings that I don't go with.
When someone gets to hear that, that joined in June05 with 42 Postings - how much do I have to give back then? :shrugs:
I don't want to talk again that this feeling was there before "privileges" where cut and therefore it now got me to write these things cause I did several times already...

I sooooooooo knew that something I wrote was going to be used here for this discussion.

Again, this is the problem with reading things online. You read them as how you want, and not always how the writer intended it to be read (heard). It was just a light-hearted joke about contributing, not a snooty comment at all.

I still do not understand why this is such an issue. I however, have noticed that since this discussion started the signatures of many people have gotten much more sarcastic due to the complaining about the whole 'contributing' thing. I personally find it hilarious, because this whole discussion is ridiculous.

This is the thing. Cornsnakes.com is a private website, owned by Rich. Therefore, Rich is the dictator of said website, and anything he says, goes. Nothing on here is a right, but everything in fact is a privilege.

priv·i·lege Audio pronunciation of "privilege" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prv-lj, prvlj)
n.

1.
1. A special advantage, immunity, permission, right, or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual, class, or caste. See Synonyms at right.

The point is that Rich can ban whomever he wants, whenever he wants, and nobody can do anything about it. He can make anybody he wants a moderator if he wishes, and there's no second vote. He takes the time out of his busy schedule to create this website, tend to it when it's down, and spends money out of his own pocket to add things to it (hello spell check) and keep it running. None of that is cheap, especially when you consider that his time is better spent in the snake rooms or just relaxing than sitting online.

So, it's a privilege to post here since it's a private website. Rich feels that people who go out of their way to help him financially with the website deserve a kick-back, and he's given us those special privilges.

I still don't know what the big deal is about that, or why there are any complaints.
 
:-offtopic

Hurley said:
Hmm, did I say I was the CCC? Nope. I do believe I said I was a CCC from CCCorns.

You are a CoolCoinClub from CedarCreekCorns? Can I have a picture of you - pleeeaaassseeeee!
:santa:

@Joe are you sure you read the whole thread? I added another post dealing with quoting your post... perhaps you'd like to use your edit privilege then.
And BTW. saying Rich can do whatever he wants and whenever he wants cause it is his private homepage as equivalent to the "shut the f*ck up and go away if you don't like". Why do we need a "discussion about the board" subforum??? Please tell me, I'm interested.
 
Things change, as this site has. Rich has a talent for making this kind of stuff work. More power to ya Rich!

This is how it reads:
"Donation for continued support of free site"

It's just that some of the 'Freeness' has worn off.

This thing is HUGE compared to what it started out as. $25 is an extremely good price for the ability to place sale adds. I just haven't had the need to "pony up" just yet. :rolleyes:
 
Menhir said:
:-offtopic



You are a CoolCoinClub from CedarCreekCorns? Can I have a picture of you - pleeeaaassseeeee!
:santa:

@Joe are you sure you read the whole thread? I added another post dealing with quoting your post... perhaps you'd like to use your edit privilege then.
And BTW. saying Rich can do whatever he wants and whenever he wants cause it is his private homepage as equivalent to the "shut the f*ck up and go away if you don't like". Why do we need a "discussion about the board" subforum??? Please tell me, I'm interested.

I saw your other post. I'm not going to edit my post at all, I see no reason to. The fact is, you quoted my post as something that you didn't like, and then re-read it and changed your mind. That's fine, my post wasn't attacking you or anything of the sort.

No, it's not the equivilent to saying anything of the sort. We have a 'Discussions about this site' so we can make suggestions to Rich about how to change certain things or implement new things into the site. Rich does not have to take our advice on said suggestions

Why am I still getting a sour grapes vibe? You obviously don't like the fact that there is a contributor coin or a seperate room, or that we get perks. Nothing is going to change, so either deal with it and stop complaining, or just fork over the $25. It's a pretty easy choice.
 
Joejr14 said:
The fact is, you quoted my post as something that you didn't like, and then re-read it and changed your mind.

Isn't that allowed?
Sorry, it's called the process of learning - especially you should know that, hmm?

we can make suggestions to Rich about how to change certain things or implement new things into the site. Rich does not have to take our advice on said suggestions

Please quote me where I did anything different than writing my opinion and give other people the possibility to think about and discuss them (with me). Please, do so or take back your statement.

You obviously don't like the fact that there is a contributor coin or a seperate room, or that we get perks.

Sorry, but I find this quite rude. I stated several times that I have nothing against buying a service or having that little blinking coin under your username. You found me stating different things, please quote it.

Nothing is going to change, so either deal with it and stop complaining

Ah - I remember, you never meant "f*ck off and go away, didn't you?".

Sorry folks, I tried to argue in a correct way and to back my opinions up with reasons. But what Joe wrote is simply not what I wrote and I don't have to have this kind of conversation with someone unable to deal with critics and think of other peoples opinions carefully.
Last post from me.
 
Joejr14 said:
This is the thing. Cornsnakes.com is a private website, owned by Rich. Therefore, Rich is the dictator of said website, and anything he says, goes. Nothing on here is a right, but everything in fact is a privilege.

priv·i·lege Audio pronunciation of "privilege" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (prv-lj, prvlj)
n.

1.
1. A special advantage, immunity, permission, right, or benefit granted to or enjoyed by an individual, class, or caste. See Synonyms at right.
Joe, he already clarified this.

Menhir said:
OK, "rights" both means rights and privilege in German - sorry for that. Especially in boards and so on you use "rights" for everything you are allowed to do or allowed to use.
I think the vast majority of this has come down to playing semantics.

We have a 'Discussions about this site' so we can make suggestions to Rich about how to change certain things or implement new things into the site. Rich does not have to take our advice on said suggestions
That's what he did, he made a suggestion. Then people argued with him about the suggestion. He conceded the original point, and went on to try to explain what it was he had a problem with (he got the feeling some comments were meant as "if you don't give money you're not really contributing to this site") and it turned into an argument over specific interpretations of his statements.

I think several people are also still trying to argue the original point long after he had dropped it. :shrugs:

Don't forget that people who say "stop complaining and shut up" are doing the exact same thing as the "complainer" is doing... :nyah:
 
Menhir said:
Isn't that allowed?
Sorry, it's called the process of learning - especially you should know that, hmm?

Where did I say that it wasn't allowed? I never said that, I simply said that you quoted something that I wrote and then said nevermind once you re-read it. Whether you retracted your comments due to the reaction you got or if you really went back and re-read it and got a different meaning, it's all really quite pointless. You're entitled to do whatever you wish.


Please quote me where I did anything different than writing my opinion and give other people the possibility to think about and discuss them (with me). Please, do so or take back your statement.

I never said you did anything different than making a suggestion or complaint about the contributer issue. Why do you keep telling me to take back my statements or to go back and edit things? I didn't pay $25 to use the edit features to go back and make my posts nice and pretty. The edit button is there to fix spelling and grammar mistakes, not to run back to a post a few days old and change the whole meaning of the post around. So no, I'm not going to go retract any statement that perhaps you did not like.


Sorry, but I find this quite rude. I stated several times that I have nothing against buying a service or having that little blinking coin under your username. You found me stating different things, please quote it.

But, you have.

If you should donate to get full functionality to spend your knowledge to a "commercial" board, thats not OK for me. I read the "we have to give something back to the board (and that means money!)" in every 5-10th thread know and slowly I feel pushed into a direction that I don't want.

That was from your very first post. You said that you didn't mind people paying for a subforum, but you do mind people paying $25 a year for full functionality of the board.

So, perhaps Rich could think of giving the contributers the extra benefit of a sub forum and open the rest of the functionality to the "community" again.

I wrote that it got more and more that I read in many threads of new members and in signatures that we HAVE TO CONTRIBUTE to give THE SITE SOMETHING BACK. Sorry, if my knowledge is not enough...

I still feel that the coin divides into a 2 class membership and still, I'm a blue collar I think. The internet and all that boards were build on people giving us freeware and communities working together to keep their platform alive and healthy. Thats why it still scares me that paying members have a different class than others not regarding their knowledge or commitment (money excluded) to the community.

I just reacted on the fact that "we" lost rights that others didn't and I got the feeling that I should respond on that. It was clear for me that this wouldn't be a popular opinion.

First of all, you keep harping on the fact that many members have 'you must contribute' in their signatures. That is simply not the case. If you cannot differntiate between 'Want to be a contributing member, click here!' and 'You must contribute to save the site, so click here!' then I'm not even going to have this discussion. I know that english is not your first language, and I really do wonder if that is the biggest part of the problem here. It seems that you read things and do not fully understand the english meaning or slang behind some words and their meanings, and you get in a tizzy. The whole right versus privilige thing comes to mind.

Nobody has said that you must contribute monetarily to be an asset to this community. Not once has that <b> ever </b> been said, nor implied. If you took it that way, then the blame of that rests with you. I have never seen anything like that at all even remotely implied since I've been here.


Ah - I remember, you never meant "f*ck off and go away, didn't you?".

Nope.

Sorry folks, I tried to argue in a correct way and to back my opinions up with reasons. But what Joe wrote is simply not what I wrote and I don't have to have this kind of conversation with someone unable to deal with critics and think of other peoples opinions carefully.
Last post from me.

Just because I don't agree with anything you've said doesn't mean that I've ignored your opinions or thought of them carefully. I don't know why you're always jumping to conclusions about these things---you've done it all thread long. It's clear that the majority of the people here are not in agreement with your earlier points, and I'm even confused on what your final point is.

Non-paying members do not have reduced functionality on the board. Rich didn't decide one day to allow people to be a contributer and then yank away the edit feature of those people who refused to contribute.

I really don't know why there's this venom flowing in this thread. Nobody has stated that they don't think you contribute to the forum, I think you've just got it in your mind that 'contribute' means with money. Nobody has said that. You're getting upset over a word and quite frankly I think it's silly. I think everyone just needs to take a deep breath and relax, because a simple discussion shouldn't get people this upset or combative. I took nothing that was said here as an insult, and I surely hope that people who's opinions differed didn't feel that a debate on the opinion was an insult.
 
Rich Z said:
So there you go. The cards are on the table. If someone doesn't like this alternative, then put yourself in my shoes and think about what YOU might do with the same circumstances.

Rich:
Best statement in the whole dang thread!
I could not agree more. Your site + your paycheck = your rules. I don't see a problem with it. Obviously if it offended everyone there would be no little coins by names and there wouldn't be 70+ replies on this thread!

....and as soon as my snakes start hatching and I can get a POSITIVE amount in my paypal account, I will have a little coin too.

Cheers,
-Jeff
 
Taceas said:
Jen, that was rude and untactful? Sheesh..you're a tiger when you get mad. ;)


LOL Misty, actually after I wrote that I used RA's advice to himself and exercised restraint. So now I will go back and edit that statement out because I CAN. :cool:

Dand, you crack me up. :grin01:
 
I agree that I am glad you posted this, and I think that regardless of your difficulty with the language, you managed to convey an opinion without undue hostility, so I also applaud your rhetorical skills.

This forum has been absolutely invaluable to me over the past few years, and doubly so since I have started breeding my snakes. As soon as I sell my first clutch of babies I'm going to use the money to finance my contribution to the forums. Not that I don't have the money now, I just like the poetic nature of waiting until the money comes from my own snakes.

I think this forum is an excellent example of how capitalism and community service can coexist happily, and you nailed that in your post.

It takes a while to work the kinks out of these things, and I know from running my own internet forums (not snake related) that the amount of time and effort it takes to moderate a place like this is more than one might anticipate. Figuring out how to keep civil, constructive, and useful boards on the internet is a lot harder than it looks. A mod really has to be on top of things so they don't get out of hand. Effort is often invisible when things go right, but I can tell you from experience that keeping internet boards with hundreds of members is very difficult. So even if he is selling more snakes thanks to these boards, our gratitude to him for taking the time and effort to keep them, and keep them constructive and useful, is still well placed. I, personally, wish he would tell me his secret for keeping these boards such a civil place to commune. I mean honestly, have you seen the forums other places on the internet? SCARY!

I think there are certain figureheads in the cornsnake community that we all generally respect and admire because we learned from them. Rich is one of these people. He's been breeding for a long time, and he openly shares his breeding information on his website so we can all benefit and learn from it.

We don't really think he's a god, but his efforts have certainly been very helpful to many of us over the years and we've learned a lot from him, so we do tend to hold him in very high regard. He's a good businessman and a great resource for the reptile community. Common psychology tells us that positive reinforcement works better than anything else, so we like to tell Rich what a good job he is doing so that he keeps doing it! We'd all be bereft if he gave up.

I haven't used your genetics calculator, preferring my own old-school punnet squares, but that is also an excellent service for the community, and I hope you continue to get positive and encouraging feedback on it :)

Thanks for the thoughts,
Jamie Lynn
 
Menhir, I am always using your calculator, it has helped me a lot & it's saved to my favorite places so I wanted to say thanks for that.
 
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