WOOOT BARRACK OBAMA

Originally Posted by jazzgeek

As Dachirsuhaco said, time will tell.

My bad. I was referring to chemical69, as he said it. Mea culpa.


Dale

Originally Posted by LBoz

That's my husband's stance on it as well. He's checking out area gun shows before they take the rights away under the new regime.

I AM disappointed. Not that I don't like him per se, but I don't completely trust him. I hope he proves me wrong. Until then, it is what it is. This is my country, and I can't turn my back on it.

Originally Posted by *salAMANDA88*

Yup.. I don't much care for him either!!..(Damn it!)

I agree, with you two, but am hoping for the best. Talk about "The New Camelot" and comparisons to JFK and Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy make me want to projectile vomit, though.

Originally Posted by TandJ

I can explain a little.. I am an Ex Canadian Pat.. My youngest, is mine direct blood hench can qaulify without the hoops to jump through for Canadian Citizenship.. I had a few issues in 2004 that caused me to return to Canada for a few monthes, and whilist there I paid some attention to the elections going on in the US.. I am not a US Citizen as I on ly hold a green Card, making me a legal Registered Alien..

I personally hope Obama can have a bit of a mean streak in him where he is not going to use just diplomatic attepmts if there is a strike on US soil or US targets.. JFK stood up to Kruschev ( Sp? ) adverting the Cuban Missle Crisis and well Mr Regan seen the releash of the prisoners with the Middle East Hostage standoff.. Hopefully there lays a tiger withen the peaceful man..

Regards.. Tim of T and J

Iran is dying to nuke Israel, and Israel is dying to nuke Iran before it gets nuked.
And Putin has Medvedev paving the way for him to return to the russian presidency for a six year instead of a four year term. Putin seems determined to carve a russian road to oil and the persian gulf.
It's gonna take a whle lot more than diplomacy, tap-dancing, sweet-talk, rhetoric, and a "less just all be friends" attitude---to be a sound, no tom-foolery leader of the Free World. I hope Obama has it in him. The time will likely present itself when he has to put his military foot down.

(thinking out loud)

I understand charisma, but there have been many charismatic people in our world's past that history has shown to not always be great world leaders. I have talked to people whose support of Obama borders on blind faith and some almost to the point of deification. This is a bit concerning for someone that is basically unproven.

I think to myself what am I missing.

He is a smooth talker like Clinton. He has only a few years as a community organizer and a couple years as a senator. Neither of which I consider a huge qualifying factor to leading the nation.

If a doctor told me he had a couple years experience and he wanted to be the surgeon general, I would have doubts. If a lawyer said she had a couple years experience and wanted to be the attorney general, I would have doubts. If a judge had only a couple years experience and wanted to be on the supreme court, I would have doubts. If a senator has a couple years experience wants to be president of the USA, I would have doubts.

I like the idea of change for the betterment. We all know at least some is needed, but may disagree on exactly what. He did make it tough to follow the change guise when he chose for his running mate the epitome of the same old thing, 36 year same old thing Joe Biden.

I am not trying to down play the significance of an African American being the president elect but in actuality he is just a democrat president elect. His skin color is only significant in the fact that he is the first, not in that it makes him a better person, candidate or president.

At this point he has proven only to be a great public speaker and a beginner senator. Being a great world leader or even an average one has yet to be realized. I would prefer to wait until he has actually done something to better our nation or beyond before anointing him the savior of the free world and frolic through our imagined utopia.

(just my $.01. In today's economy that's all I can afford. I will attempt to subsidize to $.02 when the promised economic prosperity arrives.)

Originally Posted by vetusvates

I agree, with you two, but am hoping for the best. Talk about "The New Camelot" and comparisons to JFK and Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy make me want to projectile vomit, though.

The "Camelot" thing has always nauseated me, even in reference to the Kennedys. But comparisons between the Obamas and the Kennedys were inevitable. But heck, we can't blame the Obamas for these comparisons. If Dan Quayle can be forgiven for comparing HIMSELF to JFK, then I guess I won't hold it against BHO if other people compare HIM to JFK.

After 8 years of warrantless wire-tapping, habeas corpus suspensions, intelligence manipulation, war profiteering, and lies, I have no problem giving Obama the benefit of the doubt as far as trust goes. He'd have to screw up pretty badly to come anywhere near the utter failure of the Dubya administration.

Originally Posted by Roy Munson

The "Camelot" thing has always nauseated me, even in reference to the Kennedys. But comparisons between the Obamas and the Kennedys were inevitable. But heck, we can't blame the Obamas for these comparisons. If Dan Quayle can be forgiven for comparing HIMSELF to JFK, then I guess I won't hold it against BHO if other people compare HIM to JFK.

After 8 years of warrantless wire-tapping, habeas corpus suspensions, intelligence manipulation, war profiteering, and lies, I have no problem giving Obama the benefit of the doubt as far as trust goes. He'd have to screw up pretty badly to come anywhere near the utter failure of the Dubya administration.

Excellent points and very well put. And ditto on the opening Camelot remark.

Originally Posted by vetusvates

Iran is dying to nuke Israel, and Israel is dying to nuke Iran before it gets nuked.

Can you prove this? I know those two countries (and peoples!) have a long standing feud, but even during the cold war both the US and Russia were terrified of a nuclear holocaust. I don't believe it's any different for Iran and Israel.

Originally Posted by vetusvates

It's gonna take a whle lot more than diplomacy, tap-dancing, sweet-talk, rhetoric, and a "less just all be friends" attitude---to be a sound, no tom-foolery leader of the Free World. I hope Obama has it in him. The time will likely present itself when he has to put his military foot down.

So I guess the fact that we're involved in two wars presently isn't enough? We need to police the world? Trying to revert to less violent means to an ends isn't a viable solution? I guess it's easy for us to sit here comfortably at home and complain about gas prices and what a poor president elect we think we have when our soldiers are killing, dying, being maimed, etc... on a daily, DAILY basis but to think that that isn't enough and we need a president that is ready to " put his military foot down" again? How many wars would make you happy? The last thing we need is president that's ready to push the button at any moment? How about a little less blood ( afterall it's not likely to be literally on our hands) and a little more talk!

Originally Posted by Nova_C

Can you prove this? I know those two countries (and peoples!) have a long standing feud, but even during the cold war both the US and Russia were terrified of a nuclear holocaust. I don't believe it's any different for Iran and Israel.

Here's the simplified, distilled version in Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran-Israel_relations
(The president of Iran, besides believing Israel has no right to exist, believes the Holocaust never occurred, and also believes there are zero homosexuals in Iran.)
We've been reading the long version in newspapers and on the internet since his election in 2006. There is too much proof of my clumsy distillation of the situation to put here.

No, see, I know the history very well. I'm asking for proof that nuclear war between these two countries is inevitable, hell, even likely without a strong US leader standing between the two of them. I say again, the cold war represents the most hateful and paranoid two nuclear states have ever been to each other and no nuclear holocaust occurred.

Even to this day Americans remain astonishingly distrustful of anything remotely construed as communist to the point that socialism is commonly mistaken for it.