Don't shoot me for this but...

...ever consider Artificial Insemmination(?) in snakes or more specifically in corns?

Please, da last thing I want is to start a moral debate (stoning), but think of the scientific probabillities!

I mean, howzabout crossing sunkissed corns with red tail boas?

I mean with only corns its not really neccassary, but with hybrids with from previously unworking species?

Naja Nivea with E. Guttatta?

Please don't stone me for da moral thing...

Keep in mind that depending on the two snake species, they may be no more closely related than humans are to elephant shrews. My guess is that Naja x Elaphe = slugs, if it even gets that far. That said, corns and other rats have been crossed with just about anything from the rat/milk/king/bull complex, and they're generally pretty happy to do the insemination on their own (with some 'presentation' tricks). My guess is that at the point where you'd have to artificially inseminate, you've probably reached the boundary of viability of offspring anyway.
---Mick

p.s. - Hi. Think this is my first post here. Not sure how often I'll be around, but it does look a little more promising than that 'other' corn forum.

Actually, it's been discussed before... mostly for the purpose of long-distance studding, or for doing corn/king crosses and whatnot. I think it's feasable, though it may take a good amount of trial and error until it becomes truely worthwhile.

But can you imagine buying a sperm packet from a lavender motley male, or some other hard-to-get morph? Something like this could also widen the rift in price and desirablility between male and female corns. Then there will be people that will collect sperm from a normal corn and try and pass it off as hypo bloodred sperm... There are quite a few implications, some good, some bad, but if someone wants to develop the process, it'll happen reguardless.

As for crossing cornsnakes with elapids and boids... I would have sincere doubts that it'd work. My guess is that cornsnake fertility is limited to other North (maybe South too) American colubrids, and those that lay eggs only as well (so no corn-garters). Ergo, the most impressive snake I can think of to attempt a cross with would be an Indigo, and imagine the people you'd have chasing you down for that one.

-Kat Hall

Mick

howzit and welcome mate!

Kat

Check my location, whats an Indigo? (Or am I being stupid?)

But my favorite cross would be an Oketee Corn with (ssssh, dont tell): A puff adder.

Imagine this fat little snake with corn colours, puff adder patterns and that goes hiss whilst constricting its prey! AHOI!

Yeah,

interesting theories so this is just another, nature is a seriously strange, beautiful and screwed up thing so God only knows what's lurking out there that we just haven't found yet maybe there's a bloodred python or something, lol if only!


Rach

An Indigo is the largest North American colubrid... Do a google search on Eastern Indigos and see what I mean. They're an endangered species, though, and those few herpers that breed them are exceedingly... uh... hostile about any sort of suggestions towards messing with the species, reguardless of what it is... (Picture the response you get when talking about cornsnake hybrids, and the response you'd get from Indigo people would be 10x-100x that or so...)

-Kat

Hmmm....
Thats a good idea Kat! Maybe I'll pick up a pair of Indigos next year, I always wanted a pair. I wonder if Dwight would have done that, but I don't think he can keep those guys were he is at. He was talking about doing some new world x old world ratsnake crosses, egg laying x live bearing, and hot x non-hots... I wonder what he got away with this year???

Sometimes you can breed animals in the same genus with different species, but if I'm not mistaked colobroids and boa's are different genus and different species so offspring wouldn't be possible or at best not verile.

I don't have time to look up the genius and species of boas, corns, etc but I'm pretty sure thats how breeding is limited.

There's a really good example someone can hunt down if you cross a horse with a mule you get a donkey and nearly all donkey's are sterile because horses and mules are same genus different species. If no one has clarified this "off the top of my head stuff" I'll look it up and give more precise answers tonight, sorry, low on time.

God I love science!

Here, enjoy this read in the meantime, I'll be back for more later

REALLY GOOD

". Reduced Hybrid Viability. Genetic incompatibilities between the species may abort the development of the hybrid during some stage of development. Difference in chromosome number may cause abnormal cell division. Since the chromosomes align to insure equal distribution upon cytokinesis, abnormal chromosome counts could occur based on this numerical difference.
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Damn I'm good



QUICKIE

LOL, except donkeys aren't sterile. Horses and donkeys make mules, and it is the mules that are sterile.