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Advice??

Zulu3

bad luck charm
Well I tried once to make a mouse colony with no luck at all. Got the mice from a local mom and pop pet store. I had 4 females and 1 male in a 10 gallon with the best feed I could find, changed their water often, changed the shavings once a week, etc. I had them for about 5 months with NO pregnancies. I gave them up.

Been thinking about starting a new colony and trying again, does anyone have advice about where to get better mice or what I could do better for success? Thanks

Ali
 
That is weird, Ali. Sounds like you had all one sex...or they never matured. Which would both seem very very unlikely. Odd and weird.
 
i don't know of any mouse breeders around here... =/

I know I had a male i mean it was pretty obvious if you know what i mean lol. I don't know what happened, I read up on everything at the time, I just don't want to invest in another failure, but buying all my mice to feed is getting really spendy!
 
They may have been too old. Find a store that sells live feeder mice, and get some weanlings from them.
 
also i thought i should mention i went back and looked at their old tank it was actually a 15 gal. was that alright?
 
my advice would be, if you've got a shop in mind you want to buy the mice from, start talking to them. Tell them you want to start breeding mice (perhaps, depending on where you are, and what the people are like you may not want to tell them for FOOD...but thats your call).
Depending on how they keep their mice, maybe they can start you off with at least one preggers female (and a couple others perhaps) and a nice peppy male. if they dont have any when you first stop in, talk to them often. so they get to know you. i know my local store just has a tank of mice all together... everytime i'm in theres a couple VERY chubby looking females that i'm sure are expecting. if they've got them sepperated by sex (which would be nice, simply because it shows they're paying attention) then i guess this idea wouldnt work.
 
Janine gave me wonderful advice a few weeks back...don't start with the overbred white 'feeder' mice. She advised me to find someone who breeds fancy mice for pets and get your breeders from them. So far, so good! They are producing pretty well for me (I've had some minor cannibalism issues...but they are young, so I'm hoping they stop...). Hope that helps.
 
Believe it or not I got three of my best females from Petco. I bought 10 to start and only three ever bred but they have been the progenitors of my entire mouse breeding program and I have about 30 working females all total including my original three which after almost a year show no signs of slowing down.
 
So what age should I get them like hopper? Or young adult? I found a petstore with non "white" nice, they are all colorful and stuff, so I guess I'll give those a go. What age should I start with though. Thank you all so much for your help, spreading REP
 
I'd say younger the better! its my rule of thumb when raising fish to breed, and always works well. that way, you control their diet for as long as possible, along with all kinds of other enviroment stuff...you know they've been happy, well fed, and well taken care of.
 
I can send you some? :)

I raise mostly fancy mice because if I am going to put up with mice, atleast I want something nice to look at lol

Get them young.... or as said before, buy pregnant females.

I think your problem before was because your male was bred out (sterile). because you were doing everything perfectly, as far as I can tell.
 
I wish you could, but shipping mice is seriously expensive i hear =( i'm going to go check it out this evening, we'll see how it goes.

Thanks everybody!
 
I have some tips.

4 females to one male is a good ratio. Young females might not have there first litter for up to 2 months, but you will know when they are prego. They start looking like a light bulb.

More than one male in a cage with females will lead to the stronger male killing any other male in a cage.

Males will eat the babies so quick you might not even know there were ever any babies. You need to separate the prego females. You need to have at least 2 cages.

Females who are stressed out will eat their babies just as quickly. I would have no more than 2 expecting in a cage together. You might start with two females. Move them out when they start to show and add 2 more. You can then swap expecting mothers with mothers who are ready to ween. Cover the birthing cage with a towel if they are in a busy room and can see movement. Don't mess with them. They won't usually eat them once they are a couple days old.

Females will nurse and care for each others babies. They like to tag team it.

Males are stinky, females are not nearly as bad. Keep as few males as possible. (feed them to your snake first)

I use Noha's choice Horse and Animal bedding. http://www.blazerpellets.com/Animal-Bedding/noahs-choicer-horse-a-animal-bedding.html I get a 30 lb. bag for $4.50. It lasts a long time and really sucks up the odor. Don't use cedar or pine. It will give them respatory problems and also keep them from breeding.

Hope this helps!
 
Trial and error tips.

1. Males and females are very obviously different. If you can't tell a difference, they are either very young, or all the same. Get young females and an older male.
2. NEVER keep the male in the same cage with the expectant females. He will almost always eat the pups.
3. NEVER keep more than one male together. They will kill each other. They smell very bad. Keep as few as possible. When you can tell, feed them to the snakes first.
4. Mothers will eat their pups as soon as they come out if they are stressed. Keep only one or two together in the birthing tank. If there is people noise or movement around the tank, cover it with a towel so they have privacy. Don't mess with them. Don't lift their hide unless you have to, and never the first 24 hours. You won't be able to tell if they have eaten their pups other than their size.
5. Mothers will nurse anything that doesn't have people scent on them. If you catch one mother eating pups, take her out and put her with the male. Without scenting the pups, put them with other moms. They will take them in. Pairs of mothers will share the load and take turns nursing.
6. A vegan diet is bad for them. It gives them the runs and makes them smell dead. Don't give them meat. Just balance their diet. Rodent and bird food, sunflower seeds, dog or cat food, work just fine. You can feed them lots of leftovers too. just not too much of anything.
7. Bedding.... No pine or cedar. It causes respiratory problems. Aspen is too expensive to change often enough. I use http://www.blazerpellets.com/Animal-Bedding/noahs-choicer-horse-a-animal-bedding.html. It is great for smell and they love moving it around. You just add more and mix it up weekly and you only have to change it monthly. (half as often if a male is presant. Smelly bastards.) It is super cheap and costs me $4.50 for a 30 lb. bag which lasts me 2 months.
Any other tips, I have had my success through determination.
Hope this helps!
 
I have the same problem going on here.. i have 2 1.2 breeding groups going, and are not producing anymore! 2 of the 4 females had litters about 2-2.5 months ago, but haven't since.. no noticeable pregnancy's or anything.. arggg!
 
I agree with most here. I started out with fancy mice in December. (3 colonies) I now have 14 mice and 3 ASF's colony and I am setting up a rat cage. I have found that some pet stores get old breeders. These usually are done producing babies. Sometimes you might get a litter or 2 of very sick looking pinkies or a low birth count. If you have to get them from a pet shop, I would ask them to order you young adults. I had to order a round of wht mice from my local pet shop about a month ago. I needed new blood and my customers where not liking the fact they were feeding pretty mice to their snakes. They have just started having babies about 2-3 days ago. Patients is huge. and also when you find mice not having babies after all the others in the colony are cull them. Its easier at that point to let a baby or two grow up in the colony that will produce for you than to keep one that is just wasting space.

Curious, How many snakes are you feeding???? If it is a lot, I advise Starting multiple colonies at once. You can always cull down to a reasonable number, once everyone is producing......

15 gallon tank is plent of space for the 1:4......
 
Well, all advice should be taken with a grain of salt..... such as... taking out the males when the females are pregnant.

I never seperate colonies once they are set up. Might take a little time but once they are bonded, it is best to not seperate them. That is my opinion and my experience.
 
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