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Harassment Issue.

raynefyre

raynefyre

Taste the Rainbow
My fiance's ex has been contacting us recently and saying things that are very upsetting to us. To sum up, her two dogs (that she doesn't take care of) accidentally had puppies. AJ ended up taking in two of them and taking care of them since they were a few months old. He has paid for all their shots, vet bills, heartworm and flea medicine, etc. Their licenses are also in his name. When he moved to Ohio to live with me he brought them with him. This was two years ago.

Fast forward to the present, she has been contacting us saying that she wants them back and wants to breed the female, Beast. She already has the two parents, two pitbulls that she has bred (with one having a bullet lodged in its leg she won't get removed), and a puppy from the pitbull breeding. This is coming from someone who specifically told me these two things. I quote:

"If they don't go potty quick enough when you take them out just kick them in the ribs.'

"When they lock up during mating, don't I just rip them apart to separate them?"

My main concern is if she tries to get the police or something involved. She swears up and down that since her dogs are the parents that that makes them her dogs until she says otherwise. Does she really have a case? Should we be worried? We're thinking about blocking her number or changing our phone number to keep her from contacting us.
 
Wow, I really dont know what to say. I did a speech about animal abuse and well, if there is any way you can record the calls, then show them to the local animal controll agency or animal police. Show them the calls, and have them confiscate the dogs from her. I dont know what ealse to say. But that is messed up and plain sad. Hope someone ealse can give you more solutions. I wish you luck.
 
If the dogs are registered in AJ's name than she absolutely has no case. You guys have all the vet records and time lines, she does not. IF she calls the police, they will tell her the same thing. I wouldn't worry, other than the harassment can be stressful. You might actually want to call the police on her for a 'no contact' order if it continues.
 
raynefyre said:
She swears up and down that since her dogs are the parents that that makes them her dogs until she says otherwise. Does she really have a case?
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Strange things happen. If your critters have babies they are ordinarily yours, barring contracts that say otherwise or marital property issues.

They are either hers or they are not. After two years where there were no demands made for return, it sure looks like they were a gift to your fiance and they are now his. However, if she insists that they are hers now and have been hers all this time, he may charge reasonable boarding fees plus expenses like shots and so on before she gets them back. My local pet motel charges about $10/day, so you do the math for two years of boarding (I think it would come to about $14,000 for both dogs for two years of boarding fees)....

In any case, the police will not come to your house and remove property merely on her say-so. She would have to go to court and sue for their return, and in my opinion would be laughed out of court by any reasonable judge/jury after two years of not saying anything about these animals.
 
I like Lucille's idea. The place I board my pit is $28/day. I'm sure you're providing care at least as nice as they do!

PS- I'm so glad this thread wasn't about any issues here!
 
I think the key here is the fact that she hasn't said anything for 2 years AND AJ has taken care of their needs for those two years... I may be wrong, but I don't think so.

As mentioned before, the police won't just go into your home and remove them. If you have caller ID, just block her number. :)

Good luck... I really don't think you've got anything to worry about... BUT, just in case, ask an attorney friend for an opinion. It couldn't hurt.
 
They are 3 now, AJ had them for a year before he even moved here.

The main reason she contacted us is to ask us if we were getting her spayed, which we were. She was livid about that, saying we HAD TO pass down her lines to the next generation. She's a beautiful dog, don't get me wrong, but she is indeed a mutt. There's enough homeless dogs in this world and the only consideration I might have to not spaying her would be if she was a purebred. The reason she isn't spayed yet is because she started her cycle 2 days before her operation appointment.

The thing that gets us the most is that Moose was always her favorite, Beast was AJ's favorite. Her sudden obsession with Beast leads us to believe that she just wants to wreck what we have. (She's pretty much single and a druggie now, no joke.) She used to always say to AJ, and he has this documented in printed messages, very crude ways of saying how much she hates Beast. If she ever got a hold of them she would probably just beat and neglect them, which worries me the most.

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Sorry to say this, but at 3 years old, she should have been spayed 2 1/2 years ago. Why wait so long? Yeah, she went into heat just before a scheduled surgery, but which heat cycle? Assuming she has one every 6 months, she's had 6 of them. Besides, she can be spayed while in heat. It may cost more, and you'll need to make sure she doesn't get with a male, but it will be finally done.
 
Because of the description of this woman who is demanding the dogs, I am thinking that resolving the dog issue will not end the harrassment and that the dogs may have simply presented a convenient venue to her real agenda which seems to be stirring up discord. Just my 2 cents.....

When dealing with such people, my view is that it is simply best not to deal with them at all. Don't accept calls, hang up the phone if a call gets through, don't answer emails. If you make an effort to prevent contact completely, the person will realize that they are not going to get the drama they seek.

raynefyre said:
We're thinking about blocking her number or changing our phone number to keep her from contacting us.
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Excellent idea.
 
Susan said:
Sorry to say this, but at 3 years old, she should have been spayed 2 1/2 years ago. Why wait so long? Yeah, she went into heat just before a scheduled surgery, but which heat cycle? Assuming she has one every 6 months, she's had 6 of them. Besides, she can be spayed while in heat. It may cost more, and you'll need to make sure she doesn't get with a male, but it will be finally done.
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You're 100% correct Susan, this should have been done when she was a puppy, just like Moose was done at that time. Before, when her and AJ were together, she had wanted to breed her still and talked him out of spaying her. She wanted to not neuter Moose too, but AJ got her to believe that he had bad hips so it had to be done. She's a very unruly person to deal with, so he tried to make peace for the time and deal with it at a later date. Not the best choice, but it had to do at the time. And Beast has only had 3 cycles so far, she had one every 6 months once she was 2.5 years. She never had one with them, just with me here in Ohio and we kept her locked up in the house with a diaper on to prevent anything from happening. She's definitely getting spayed once we can get her an appointment in the office again. There's about a two week wait to get in.

Lucille said:
Because of the description of this woman who is demanding the dogs, I am thinking that resolving the dog issue will not end the harrassment and that the dogs may have simply presented a convenient venue to her real agenda which seems to be stirring up discord. Just my 2 cents.....

When dealing with such people, my view is that it is simply best not to deal with them at all. Don't accept calls, hang up the phone if a call gets through, don't answer emails. If you make an effort to prevent contact completely, the person will realize that they are not going to get the drama they seek.
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You pretty much hit the nail on the head Lucille. She's been a constant problems for AJ the whole time they were together. She had the nerve to text him yesterday and tell him that he caused to her next relationship (that she left him for) to fail because so he owed her for her suffering. Her payment she required in return of the dogs for her breeding purposes. She's trying to get any reason to get them back. And what gets me the most is that she doesn't even care about them; they will just end up in her parents' garage with the rest of her pets. And finally, she lives back in western Michigan and we're in eastern Ohio which is about a 5-6 hour drive which she expects us to drive to bring them to her. Oy... /ignore. Lol.
 
Like the others have said, those dogs belong to AJ now. There's no judge that would award them back to her after all this time. If I were you guys, the next time she calls, I'd tell her that the dog was already fixed a couple days ago. Then tell her not to call again or you will be filing harassment charges against her and filing that no contact order some one else mentioned. If her and AJ have no children together there's no reason for them to have any contact with each other. Change your number and don't give it to any one she knows.
 
I think she is just trying to make money.. And she thinks she has some sorta right.. Those are your dogs.. Come on two years??? And maybe she is a little jealous... IDK... But if shes on drugs, shes obviously not thinking straight either.. I dont think she has a case.. And I would get them fixed ASAP so that she cant want them anymore.. Good luck girl.. :)
 
IMO, it's ridiculous that you're being made to feel guilty over keeping her intact despite the fact that you are obviously perfectly responsible and she never had a litter. You should not feel guilty - there's no reason too. And I hate to see veterinary professionals advocating altering immature dogs. *sigh*

If you want to spay her, spay her. It's a good idea so that this woman cannot ever use her for her for her own purposes again.

Anyway, I think the law would stand clearly on your side with vet records in your name. Do you license them in any way with the county? (Our county doesn't have licensing; maybe yours does...) That could also help a lot.
 
bekers71 said:
Like the others have said, those dogs belong to AJ now. There's no judge that would award them back to her after all this time. If I were you guys, the next time she calls, I'd tell her that the dog was already fixed a couple days ago. Then tell her not to call again or you will be filing harassment charges against her and filing that no contact order some one else mentioned. If her and AJ have no children together there's no reason for them to have any contact with each other. Change your number and don't give it to any one she knows.
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Great ideas. Hopefully she doesn't know your address?
 
Emily1188 said:
IMO, it's ridiculous that you're being made to feel guilty over keeping her intact despite the fact that you are obviously perfectly responsible and she never had a litter. You should not feel guilty - there's no reason too. And I hate to see veterinary professionals advocating altering immature dogs. *sigh*

If you want to spay her, spay her. It's a good idea so that this woman cannot ever use her for her for her own purposes again.
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Must have missed the part about Vet. Professionals advocating altering immature dogs (since when is 6months too young?) and I dont think the intent was to make her feel guilty. I generally agree with what your saying, I guess I disagree with the assumption that the OP was being attacked. I dont think its the case.
I've been wrong before...:shrugs:
 
RosieReal said:
Must have missed the part about Vet. Professionals advocating altering immature dogs (since when is 6months too young?) and I dont think the intent was to make her feel guilty. I generally agree with what your saying, I guess I disagree with the assumption that the OP was being attacked. I dont think its the case.
I've been wrong before...:shrugs:
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6 months is too young since dogs began finishing their growth/maturity around 12-24 months.

I think asserting that "it should have been done 2.5 years ago" is wrong.
 
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