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But you are really being careless by having sex, period. Birth Control is not a guarantee. So you really can't judge others for doing just what you have.

Yes, birth control is not a guarantee. 99.9% is not a guarantee. I have no issue with the use of birth control, I simply feel like people who are using abortion as a type of birth control, are irresponsible. I can understand people who were using a condom, the pill, and whatever else and somehow they get pregnant. I can understand where at that point, an abortion MAY be an option. It's the people that are having these one night stands without birth control that upset me.
 
it's the careless people that use abortion as a means of birth control, that really upset me.

But by "careless people", you mean only the women...

letting careless people terminate pregnancies just because they couldn't keep their legs shut.

I'm not greatly experienced but I believe that men *can* do it with ther legs shut.

Perhaps it would have been better phrased as "careless people who can't a) keep it in their pants or b) keep their legs shut".

Your arguments as phrased are blaming women and not men. You need to think about how you're approaching this issue.
 
Nope, I've heard cases where men have forced their girlfriends, wives, etc to have abortions. Men are just as irresponsible as the women. Yes, I could have phrased it better.
 
Oh my god. It's like pissing up a rope. Contracaption is fine. Abortion unless it's in the care of rape, incest, or a fatal risk to the woman (forgot that one), in my eyes is wrong.

This is really a good clarification of your views, David, and really, many people (I wouldn't hazard a guess at the percentage) hold that same opinion. (I'm not claiming to be one of them, BTW). Phrasing it like that is a lot less offensive than discussing the whole slut control aspect, or whatever everyone's calling it.
 
*more :-offtopic *
Did you hear what Rush Limbaugh was saying about him, and how he was "faking" the extremes of his condition during that one commercial? I couldn't believe my ears. Of all of the insensitive things he could possibly (and frequently does) say, why did Michael J. Fox have to bear the brunt of his wrath so soon after his controversial "slut speech"? It's almost like he's asking to be fired. But if he's not, then he's probably the world's best troll.
The thing is, Rush Limbaugh is just a high paid child. He really lives in a bubble of his own experience, and when it comes to trying to have understanding about something outside of himself, he responds in as dramatic away as possible. Either by calling a woman a slut, mocking someone for their disability, or the slew of other racist, sexist, ist, ist, ist's that he's had over his career.

And my biggest problem with him is not that he says what he says (because I like the stark contrast of his views and logic), but he's the cornerstone of republican ideals (and I say that observantly towards support, rather than to say ALL republicans), and he's one of the biggest voices for that party. For some reason this society doesn't outcast him as a crazy uncle (like they should), and it doesn't make any sense to me why he's given such a large platform for his ridiculousness. This guy gets paid millions of dollars to marginally speak on behalf of entire groups of people, of which many he has never come into contact with in real life, or has never even had shared or relative experiences with...

Even pastors and preachers don't have it that good.
 
BTW, this is my biggest problem with the birth control issue, specifically. It's easy to say the politically acceptable "In the event of rape, or serious complications during pregnancy... I think it's okey doke", but it's a lot harder to admit that we only live one life. And you're only one person. And by virtue of that, you can in no way play 'God' to someone that's been put into a situation already limited with options. What about the experiences of young people who lack guidance, and they get pregnant at 14, 15, 16... But out of a complete fear (and a demonized role of women), this child feels no other option than to seek abortion. She's too young, her life would be ruined, only to bring in a baby that will suffer at the hands of that environment. A possible cycle of life damaged, all because someone took the control out of that girls life to say "I have made a mistake. I am young and I have plenty of life left to live. And the abortion of this small embryo could possibly restore a life of freedom and productivity that I wish to have".

And while we're sitting here talking about what is essentially a woman's right to freedom, the male who created that baby (because it does take one... sorry Santorum), is off living a life of their choice. And if people think that the male will be forced such duties as the woman (for the same consent to create the baby)... well, we ALL know that's not the case, no need for sarcasm.

I also don't see why some of the religious have a problem with this. Is it a fear that they'll go to h*ll for knowing that people make their own decisions? Or is it out of compassion for those who's afterlife they're trying to affect? I would like to see the medium in which all people showed compassion for people's lives here-and-now, at least enough to allow all people equal freedom to make decisions that they believe will better their lives, for themselves.
 

EXACTLY DAVID, damn you and your penis!

Man why don't you give in, obviously their superior intellect is too much for you. You know the intellect of "I know you are but what am I, I know you are but what am I"? You have answered the questions several times and they refuse to acknowledge that. They just keep picking a few words out of your original comments and then turn that into "you sorry a$$ man with a penis, I hate you and you will never understand me". It's like watching a slow moving bug that accidentally wandered into the fire ant mound. Poor thing just sits there and twitches all over becuase the bites just keep coming from all sides no matter what he does.

later gater

dc
 
The thing is, Rush Limbaugh is just a high paid child. He really lives in a bubble of his own experience, and when it comes to trying to have understanding about something outside of himself, he responds in as dramatic away as possible. Either by calling a woman a slut, mocking someone for their disability, or the slew of other racist, sexist, ist, ist, ist's that he's had over his career.

And my biggest problem with him is not that he says what he says (because I like the stark contrast of his views and logic), but he's the cornerstone of republican ideals (and I say that observantly towards support, rather than to say ALL republicans), and he's one of the biggest voices for that party. For some reason this society doesn't outcast him as a crazy uncle (like they should), and it doesn't make any sense to me why he's given such a large platform for his ridiculousness. This guy gets paid millions of dollars to marginally speak on behalf of entire groups of people, of which many he has never come into contact with in real life, or has never even had shared or relative experiences with...

Even pastors and preachers don't have it that good.


I find it ironic, that the Obama's are upset over Limbaugh for his comments, yet Ms. Obama happily goes onto "The Dave Letterman Show", the Dave Letterman Show where Mr. Letterman called Palin a "slut" AND said her daughter, was knocked up by Alex Rodriguez at a Yankee's game. Just saying......
 
Yes, the first lady is absolutely sexist... I can see the ironic comparison to her and Rush Limbaugh. I mean, the first lady should know that she's responsible for the words of all of the people she comes into contact with. (sarcasm font).

But I thank you for the transition, which is a topic that I think is also of relevance. The disrespectful nature in which our first lady is talked about (and how Hilary was as well). Now I know you're a good ole' Christian boy, so I'm sure that whatever Mrs. Obama said had absolutely traumatized you, much like that of how Rush Limbaugh had called an innocent woman a "$l*t", so maybe this discussion isn't for you... but most men paint assertive, opinionated women as unreasonable. Where this behavior for men makes up 99% of the males in office, and is seen as enthusiasm towards their ability to lead.

I'll leave my opinions of who I'll vote for in the voting booth. But as a first lady, and as a person who has qualities that society should admire in their leaders, I think that Michelle Obama represents class and humility in her position as a world icon of female independence (while having a strong family unit). I have never been offended (as a human, not politically) by anything that I've ever heard her say.
 
Yes, the first lady is absolutely sexist... I can see the ironic comparison to her and Rush Limbaugh. I mean, the first lady should know that she's responsible for the words of all of the people she comes into contact with. (sarcasm font).

But I thank you for the transition, which is a topic that I think is also of relevance. The disrespectful nature in which our first lady is talked about (and how Hilary was as well). Now I know you're a good ole' Christian boy, so I'm sure that whatever Mrs. Obama said had absolutely traumatized you, much like that of how Rush Limbaugh had called an innocent woman a "$l*t", so maybe this discussion isn't for you... but most men paint assertive, opinionated women as unreasonable. Where this behavior for men makes up 99% of the males in office, and is seen as enthusiasm towards their ability to lead.

I'll leave my opinions of who I'll vote for in the voting booth. But as a first lady, and as a person who has qualities that society should admire in their leaders, I think that Michelle Obama represents class and humility in her position as a world icon of female independence (while having a strong family unit). I have never been offended (as a human, not politically) by anything that I've ever heard her say.

First of all, I'm an agnostic. The whole religion thing never made sense to me. I have a pretty dirty mouth so not a lot offends me at all. Bad habit I know.

So, if Michelle Obama shouldn't be held responsible for who she associates with, then would it be acceptable for say me to hang out with crack dealers and meth heads (not that I do). Ever heard of guilty by association? If the Obama's want to take a stand against women being slandered on TV, they shouldn't endorse someone who does. Be it Rush Limbaugh or Dave Letterman.
 
It is important to mention, Palin's daughter was 16 at the time of Letterman's comments. So does a 16 year old girl deserve to be called out by a huge television personality? I'm not downplaying Limbaugh's comments, but let's not be so one sided.
 
David, I have had friends who do drugs.

I have an uncle who does hardcore drugs and basically lives on the streets. If you can have guilt by association, how about guilt by relation? I mean, clearly I have TOTAL control over everything my friends and family do.

We should also prosecute those who are related to or are friends with murderers. After all, guilt by association, right? What sort of people would be friends with a murderer?
 
David, I have had friends who do drugs.

I have an uncle who does hardcore drugs and basically lives on the streets. If you can have guilt by association, how about guilt by relation? I mean, clearly I have TOTAL control over everything my friends and family do.

We should also prosecute those who are related to or are friends with murderers. After all, guilt by association, right? What sort of people would be friends with a murderer?

No. You've completely missed my point........
 
Because the point of emphasis should be on our individual responsibility to put out a message that we find appropriate. But enough with the petty arguing. Rush Limbaugh does not use such discretion when demeaning and marginalizing people and groups of people, and Michelle Obama seemingly does her absolute best to help those who fall victim to such injustices. Her intent is good, and her motives are on behalf of the people. Rush's intent is prejudice, extreme and only on behalf of himself.

And I also think that the reference of hanging out with crack dealers is not only irrelevant, but it's quite an embellishment. I see no reason to discuss Michelle Obama if it's just the same old sounding political resentment. Michelle Obama is nothing like Rush Limbaugh, welcome to reality, enough said.
 
Because the point of emphasis should be on our individual responsibility to put out a message that we find appropriate. But enough with the petty arguing. Rush Limbaugh does not use such discretion when demeaning and marginalizing people and groups of people, and Michelle Obama seemingly does her absolute best to help those who fall victim to such injustices. Her intent is good, and her motives are on behalf of the people. Rush's intent is prejudice, extreme and only on behalf of himself.

And I also think that the reference of hanging out with crack dealers is not only irrelevant, but it's quite an embellishment. I see no reason to discuss Michelle Obama if it's just the same old sounding political resentment. Michelle Obama is nothing like Rush Limbaugh, welcome to reality, enough said.
That's pure hypocrisy! How can we criticize one person for calling someone a slut, but then go onto a television show where a 16 year old girl was essentially called a slut?
 
Did Michelle Obama call anyone a slut? A prostitute? Did she demand people record amateur porn for her?

No?

She was on a TV show that was a poor choice of format. Would I blame anyone who was a guest on Limbaugh's show? Not unless they expressed agreement with his views on women.

So no, no hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is frickin' Gingrich claiming to be running on a pro-family platform when he is a serial adulterer.
 
That's pure hypocrisy! How can we criticize one person for calling someone a slut, but then go onto a television show where a 16 year old girl was essentially called a slut?
How about this... I'll sum up your irony, hypocrisy, problem with a woman's right to choose, and the religious conservative view of abstinence...

Bristol Palin!
 
How about this... I'll sum up your irony, hypocrisy, problem with a woman's right to choose, and the religious conservative view of abstinence...

Bristol Palin!

I see you have intentionally ignored the part where I stated I'm non-religious and have no problem with sex out of wedlock. If I was all about abstinence I would have broken my own rule many times over.
 
Did Michelle Obama call anyone a slut? A prostitute? Did she demand people record amateur porn for her?

No?

She was on a TV show that was a poor choice of format. Would I blame anyone who was a guest on Limbaugh's show? Not unless they expressed agreement with his views on women.

So no, no hypocrisy. Hypocrisy is frickin' Gingrich claiming to be running on a pro-family platform when he is a serial adulterer.

No she didn't but by the Obama's supporting a program like Letterman's, they aren't exactly showing their distaste for the degradation of women.
 
I see you have intentionally ignored the part where I stated I'm non-religious and have no problem with sex out of wedlock. If I was all about abstinence I would have broken my own rule many times over.

It was completely irresponsible of you to have sex and be solely relying on contraceptives such as birth control or condoms.

Were you prepared to marry the girl and financially support her and the child, especially if the child had some sort of complication such as physical or mental impairment?
 
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