Zimmerman trial

[Rich Z]

Apparently this guy is making a lot of effort documenting this court case -> http://lawofselfdefense.com/blog/. So far I haven't seen hardly ANY of the information there presented in the local media.

 

[Chip]

Great link, Rich. I can't get over how racially charged this trial is. I get it, a Hispanic guy shot an unarmed black teenager (who may or may not have been beating his head in the sidewalk), but just go to Twitter and search #ZimmermanTrial. I can guess almost everyone's opinion on the case by whether their profile picture is black or white. I think this trial is more racially divided than OJ. And I also think Zimmerman is going to walk. Murder 2 requires malice or "depraved mind", and good luck proving that. Manslaughter would have been a much more responsible charge, and still not a slam dunk for the prosecution.

Also, I could go on for pages about the media. That horrible rude witness, Rachel Jeantel takes the stand for the state and Piers Morgan and Nancy Grace go on about how "real" and "brave" she was. The fact she was close with Trayvon went further in disparaging his character than anything I've seen.

I will be stunned of Zimmerman is convicted, and downright shocked if there are not riots.

 

[BooBoo18]

I have not been following the trial. It amazes me that these things do turn into racial issues. Could anyone tell me that this incident would have ended differently if Trayvon had been hispanic. This about it, take Zimmerman's side of the story. I believe if it happened the way he said it did no matter if Trayvon was black, white, hispanic or asian it would have ended the same way.

 

[tsst]

I have not been following the trial. It amazes me that these things do turn into racial issues. Could anyone tell me that this incident would have ended differently if Trayvon had been hispanic. This about it, take Zimmerman's side of the story. I believe if it happened the way he said it did no matter if Trayvon was black, white, hispanic or asian it would have ended the same way.

It would have been ignored by the MSM!

 

[Nanci]

I have not been following the trial. It amazes me that these things do turn into racial issues. Could anyone tell me that this incident would have ended differently if Trayvon had been hispanic. This about it, take Zimmerman's side of the story. I believe if it happened the way he said it did no matter if Trayvon was black, white, hispanic or asian it would have ended the same way.

First of all, it works better for everyone on Trayvon's side if Zimmerman is white, so let's just make it so. Crazy ass cracker!

Secondly, now that we have made Zimmerman white, that means this must be racially motivated, so it's a good way to make everyone hate Republicans, ('cause they're all white, you know!) so a better way to make the Democrats (and thus, Obama) look good in an election year.

Oh the election is over? Carry on!

 

[ecreipeoj]

One of these days, Americans are going to have to decide if we are Americans or members of several minority groups in it for themselves.

Who attacked whom? Who was the aggressor and who was defending themselves. If the six women on this jury were helping out with neighborhood watch, and ended up on their back, being slugged in the face, would they wait to see if the assault would stop, or would they protect themselves?

If their child was on the bottom getting their head bashed into the concrete and they were watching, would they allow their child to be killed, or would they shoot the SOB that was killing them? Would the do the same, if SOB that was JUST inflicting great bodily harm to their child? You don't have to believe you are going to be killed to defend yourself, from an aggressor. Isn't a bashed in nose, and your head slammed into the concrete, great bodily harm.

What would a COP do if someone was on top of them, beating their face and smashing their head into the concrete? The fact that this case went to trial, is a racial tragedy, and the DA will be held responcible, for his political motivations, beyond the law.

If their are racial riots from the not guilty verdict in this trial, we will witness the most racial group of Americans in this country, finally come out of the closet.

 

[Chip]

Finally?



To be fair, the group "black Americans" has been treated horribly in this country. From slavery to segregation to the 15th amendment, which gave blacks the right to vote -was only in 1965. It is recent mistreatment and abuse of a people, and there is no reason to expect such injustice to heal quickly. However, there is no question who the most racial group in the country is.

 

[susang]

I have been watching some of the media blitz on this case. I believe whatever the verdict someone (race/people) will be unhappy. Given the boiling pot that is already been stirred and boiling over it seems inevitable. Both sides have played the race card/racial profiling. I was a bit ??? when Zimmerman's brother said he and his brother are the 'product' of a bi-racial love story. Something about the only two little boys who spoke Spanish and how they stood out in a crowd. Maybe that would have sounded right 30+ years ago, but not when he was a kid.

Martins friend who testified was a challenge for both sides she had a 'tude and a language barrier.

My .02 Martin was a kid with a 'tude and Zimmerman is a man with a 'tude and a gun.

 

[Rich Z]

This entire thing was completely a media driven event. I mean, come on! The media insisted on posting pictures of Martin ONLY as a 12 year old! Make it look like Zimmerman had murdered some little kid coming home from running his neighborhood lemonade stand. When I first saw those pics and read that Martin was 17 years old, that's what threw red flags on the field for me. Without knowing any facts about the case at all, I could see where that Zimmerman guy was going to be railroaded into court by a racially charged media event.

Media poster child image:

Images that were of more recent origin:

Seriously, if he is acquitted he should sue the media conglomerates for the damages he had to go through financially because of their part in this circus they created.

Oh, and then there is the Castle Doctrine Law. http://laws.flrules.org/files/Ch_2005-027.pdf

776.032 Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable
use of force.—

1. A person who uses force as permitted in s. 776.012, s. 776.013, or s.
   776.031 is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution
   and civil action for the use of such force, unless the person against whom
   force was used is a law enforcement officer, as defined in s. 943.10(14), who
   was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer
   identified himself or herself in accordance with any applicable law or the
   person using force knew or reasonably should have known that the person
   was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminal
   prosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting the defendant.
2. A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating
   the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not
   arrest the person for using force unless it determines that there is probable
   cause that the force that was used was unlawful.
3. The court shall award reasonable attorney’s fees, court costs, compensation
   for loss of income, and all expenses incurred by the defendant in
   defense of any civil action brought by a plaintiff if the court finds that the
   defendant is immune from prosecution as provided in subsection (1).

So is this trial SOLELY to determine if Zimmerman was within the boundaries of this above mentioned law, or is this case itself actually in itself a VIOLATION of that law?

 

[chris68]

If Mr. Zimmerman had called the police to report a "suspicious individual" instead of confronting him, maybe things would have worked out a bit differently? :shrugs: No one but the two people involved will ever know what REALLY happened, and one of them doesn't get to tell his side of the story. A mother loses her son, and a man will have to deal with the fact that he killed someone. It's a tragedy. Other than that I'm not following the media frenzy; all it does is bring out the worst in folks, jmho...

 

[Chip]

Zimmerman did call the police to report a suspicious individual.

 

[susang]

Mr Zimmerman did call the police and they told him to back off and wait for the police. What happened after that only two people know. Martins friend the one he was talking on the phone told him to run. Sadly neither of them listened.

 

[Chip]

Zimmerman claims he did. After the non-emergency police call, he turned around and headed back to his car, according to GZ -the only survivor to have a side of the story. And he claims he was then jumped and beaten. How accurate that is, I do not know, but the police were treating it as a self-defense shooting and weren't even going to press charges.

 

[insomniac101]

This is an e-mail I got shortly after this happened. I don't know the original source of the article, or if the photos are doctored or not, but there is obviously quite a difference between the two.

As others have said, this is a media circus, and probably won't end well.

Kathy



HERE'S THE PICTURE THE MEDIA SHOWED YOU OF "LITTLE TRAYVON"--THE "VICTIM"



HERE'S TRAYVON AT THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT


They didn't show the up-to-date pictures of Trayvon Martin in the media. Now you know why. Kinda scary ain't it?

That old adage applies here. . . "there are two sides to every story" . . .we don't always get the truth from the media (in my experience there's 3 sides - your side, my side, and what really happened).

One of my favorite rants...the liberal controlled media...television news...newspapers...magazines...radio...all continue to show 12 year old Trayvon...NOT 17 year old Trayvon...they continue to show the 5 year old picture BECAUSE it helps to cement in your mind the little, cute, Hoodie wearing youngster who was stalked by this monster

"In reality.."little Trayvon"...at the time of his death...stood almost 6'2" tall...weighed 175 muscular pounds...had numerous run ins with authorities (both at school and local police)...had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death for...smacking a bus driver in the face...because the driver refused to let him ride for free...he was released because the driver was told not to press charges by the bus company and to continue on his route.

When "little Trayvon" was suspended at school...it was not only because he tried to bring a little marijuana in with him...he was in possession of wedding rings and other jewelry...watches etc. That he said he "found" along with a large screwdriver...while on the way to school that day...the jewelry was turned over to the Police by the school. I am not trying to say this was a good shooting...

I am not trying to say this kid deserved to die...I am saying...the media in the USA is controlled by liberals who twist and distort what you see and hear in order for you to see things their way.

Not a single paper has printed RECENT photos of this kid...because...it would not keep your interest in this case... Not a single paper will admit that this kid was a marijuana dealer...his friends on Facebook all say he had the "best plants"...not a single paper will show you any of his recent photos where he shows off a mouthful of gold teeth....all of his tattoos...not a single paper will tell the news like it really is....and NOT how they want you to think it is...

President King Obama...looked at the FIVE year old photo the media chose to show the Nation...and said..."If I had a son...he would look like Trayvon" So from that comment...should I assume you did not bother to look for the facts in this shooting..or should I assume you want a son who is a 17 year old drug dealing, gold teethed thug whose name on one of his Facebook profiles was "wild nigga"...who 'finds" jewelry and burglary tools on the way to school ?

A fair and impartial news media in the USA ? No. One that does not follow the liberal agenda? Nope. Are they helping to further divide this already fractured Nation? Yes, they are!

 

[susang]

'Insomiac' are you saying that second picture is Trayvon Martin? Isn't that a rapper???

 

[insomniac101]

'Insomiac' are you saying that second picture is Trayvon Martin? Isn't that a rapper???

I don't know. It's an e-mail that was forwarded to me, and the caption says it's Trayvon. I'm not up to speed on rappers, so I don't know for sure who it is.

I just think it's weird that the media kept showing a photo of him that was several years old.

Kathy

 

[insomniac101]

Insomniac, the tattooed face guy is not the shooting victim. Please edit that.

I will. As I said, it's just an e-mail that I received shortly after the incident happened.

Kathy

 

[susang]

I don't know. It's an e-mail that was forwarded to me, and the caption says it's Trayvon. I'm not up to speed on rappers, so I don't know for sure who it is.

I just think it's weird that the media kept showing a photo of him that was several years old.

Kathy

Well so much for verifying facts, that is a rapper I just can't think of his name.
This is an example of why he media gets carried away with stuff like this bad information.

 

[Rich Z]

How do you suppose this damage was done to the back of Zimmerman's head?

Source: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...rayvon-martin-20120517,0,6090406.photogallery

 

[Rich Z]

Here's a picture of Zimmerman's knuckles. It looks to me that he didn't have much luck landing any blows on Martin.

Same source as above link.