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Just complaining... about forum bullies

On that 4th line I meant to say that *some will agree, some will not... etc.
And one last thing to Lavender: have you heard of the 3 Ways of Knowing? (Knowing by Tenacity, Knowing by A Priori, and Knowing by Authority). If you haven't, you should look them up :) that's all I have to say about an "opinion is fact"!
 
NH93, I am quite sure he aimed that at the general collective rather than at your posts actually.
Hinting that people here are asserting statements and not providing proof.
:rolleyes:
 
I think it is very easy to miscommunicate in forums. For example, I would partially agree with that statement about having to be willing to feed live - in certain circumstances. But the statement didn't go far enough, in enough detail. My statement would be more like "If you keep and breed corns (or other snakes) long enough, you have to be willing to occasionally feed live prey to hatchlings, OR you have to be willing to either force feed, or allow babies that won't eat f/t to die." In my experience, that would be a factual statement, since not every baby will voluntarily start on f/t pinks. But when statements are not detailed enough, then people may vehemently disagree with them, even if they are partially true. IMHO, of course!
 
I've never had a non-feeder take live. It's always one of my last resorts, not because I'm opposed to starting hatchlings on live, but because they are so hard to get a hold of.

So I'm always so hopeful, and then it never works. Same for anole-scenting.
 
I guess different things work for different folks. I would say about 25- 35% of my non f/t feeders will take live, especially if confined in a deli cup. And about 25% of those that won't take live will take live if they have been coated with deer mouse dirty shavings. A few will take anole scented. OTOH, some keepers have had great luck using pinks dipped in chicken broth or tuna juice, but that has never worked for me. I say, do whatever works!
 
I agree with the boiled, have no clue why it works so well unless it is the sorta chicken smell as my daughter calls it. I think the bottom line though is doing what ever it takes to try to get the little ones to eat. Seeing anything slowly starve to death is not a humane thing at all. It would be a better snake world if they all ate first time and this topic didn't have to be raised and re-raised. But that is not the world we live in.
 
Kokopelli said:
NH93, I am quite sure he aimed that at the general collective rather than at your posts actually.
Hinting that people here are asserting statements and not providing proof.
:rolleyes:
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I agree, I was just using my post as an example :p

And I also agree with KathyLove about not including enough information in a post, which is where misunderstandings come from.
 
I used to always start feeding the babies with 1 day old live pinks. Gave them two meals of live about 5 days apart (before I got overwhelmed with numbers), then see who would take F/T. I could usually pull around 300 1 day old pinks every evening from the mouse colony. Fed them in the evening which is their normal activity period, and left the pink in with them overnight. Normally about 90 percent or better would go right on F/T. Trying the reverse, starting off with F/T was normally not nearly productive, and I would have to throw away a bunch of F/T pinks the next morning because the snakes refused to eat them.

My theory was that the movement of the live pinks got the snakes interested, if nothing else, just from curiosity. And sometimes maybe it was just irritation that the little wiggly thing kept bumping against them. They would nose around the wiggling little thing and often would grab it with their mouth as a kind of "hold still, dang it!", and then the feed response would kick in.

BTW, you CAN reach a point of no return with a baby snake if they refuse food for too long. It seems that after a few weeks of not feeding, they completely lose interest in trying to eat anything. So you are playing beat the clock with them.
 
NH93 said:
I agree, I was just using my post as an example :p

And I also agree with KathyLove about not including enough information in a post, which is where misunderstandings come from.
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I never know if the person on the other end is drunk or has special considerations. & you don't know that about me either. Sometimes some statements might make me more steadfast in my personal resolve about whatever the topic is.

Welcome back Lavender.

Moving on, I tend to try batches of babies on f/t first, and if they don't take it within an hour, then boil the pinks and try them again. This year i am not force feeding any of them, at all, but making sure they always have fresh water. Some babies have taken up to 8 weeks (so far) before taking their first meal willingly without trickery. I had a couple of corns which were forcefed for their first several months (10-18, the genes were 'too good' IMHO), and when they bred, they produced clutches of 90%+ non-feeders. Those adults are now pets somewhere else.
 
Well what about a snake that you can easily tease feed? Won't pick a FT pink up off the floor, but you jab it in the neck once and it takes it, no question, and feeds. You can't really call that animal a non-feeder...
 
Sure, I'll work with them to some extent, slap feeding, anole scenting (those poor Anolis sagrei, I just can't bring myself to do that to A carolinensis) chicken broth, lamb fat, tuna scenting, the whole kaboodle as laid out in the alt.diet thread. and scattered around in various other threads .
But if it is a problem feeder over and over again, I mean, sure, some people don't have enough problems and need some more, but that's not me.
 
NH93 said:
On that 4th line I meant to say that *some will agree, some will not... etc.
And one last thing to Lavender: have you heard of the 3 Ways of Knowing? (Knowing by Tenacity, Knowing by A Priori, and Knowing by Authority). If you haven't, you should look them up :) that's all I have to say about an "opinion is fact"!
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I had to look it up and actually found that there are 5 ways:

Ways of Knowing
 
knowing by authority is my favorite. But more about live feeding. Wild chipmunks fed to wild caught ratsnakes is very entertaining. Oooh and I had this big female yellowbellied water snake. I would feed her large live bullfrogs. You could hear them croaking (pun intended) while they were still in the belly. It was hillarious.
 
Hmmm...something must be cooking...I can smell it...the pot stirring begins, lol!

I think I'll bow out until I see what is cooked up, haha! I hope it is tasty, but you never know until the thread is finished!
 
NH93 said:
Hi everyone...

I'm sorry to rant (well, not really), but I am getting so tired of people bullying each other on forums. I don't mean here necessarily - although I have seen it before.

I recently got quite attacked by an opinion I posted on another snake forum, because I disagreed with something someone said about live feeding. It's not a big deal, and I *think* I dealt with it maturely.

I have just been noticing a lot lately that people aren't respecting other's opinions, or they are TELLING someone how they should be doing things, without that other person even asking for their input.
I'm not saying that if you hear about someone doing something you think is very detrimental to their snake that you shouldn't speak up, but I think it can be done without attacking another person... or being sort of sarcastic, you know?

I don't think it's necessary to make people feel stupid because they don't know something. And it is tough online too, because emotions aren't felt through a computer screen. People can easily take things the wrong way, or imply things they don't mean. Or maybe they do mean to, and what they have said escalates.

I am thankful that this forum, especially for me, has been WONDERFUL in this regard. I have been seeing some snarky comments (not to me), but I guess some of that is to be expected... right?

It just sucks going to other forums (namely larger communities) and having your ass handed to you for no reason.

:(

(I'm sure there are other threads like this one, I just haven't looked...)
Thanks for reading. If you have any comments or concerns (or disagree with me?) feel free to reply!
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One good way to avoid forum bullying is to keep truth (opinion by authority) limited to things nominal. Like animals, the weather, or what kind of trashy video Miley's gonna do next. If you start stating truth on matters of morality or small government you'll see some forum bullying.
 
Roflmao. I wish I had big heavy rep to give to Lavender.

Miley trashy?................_Nooooooo_........lol........

But, has anyone but me noticed that she has the longest tongue since Gene Simmons?

Reminds me of a giraffe eating acacia thorns.
 
Lavender, don't confuse bullying with respectful, constructive, and/or interesting conversation. People can talk about politics or religion or snake care without insulting and offending others, without being condescending.
 
I'm not confused. Discussion can be had for a while til compared to an irreprovable standard then discussion deteriorates.
 
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