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Anyone know Nile Monitors?

I have to admit I'm not sure about the purpose of the thread?

Thread Owner Asks for advice.
Not a single recommendation to go ahead, and quite a few warnings later... Thread Owner goes ahead with it anyway.

I mean... of course anyone can do whatever they want, and you definitely don't have to pick up the advice given here... but I don't see the point to open the thread as though there's really any real dilemma that will be affected by hearing opinions.

You stated that it would be a deal less than optimal for you, that you have other obligations, and the size/temperament of the animal is quite unfit for domestic environment... well, personally to me it looks like not a completely responsible decision, that has nothing to do with this thread and everything to do with personal desire.

That too BTW is quite fine, but why make it look like anything other than it really is?

I apologize for being a bit offenssive here, but it really bothers me that people would take on an animal that can easily overpower them like that.
 
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I can't tell if this is a Nile or a black throat, but it puts grown Varanus monitors into perspective. My advice, run don't walk. It will be even harder to place as it grows.

I remember that ad and believe it is a Black throat. Plus its girth and being docile also points to a Black Throat. The reason I mention this is so the OP doesn't get the impression that a Nile monitor is going to be like that.


You (OP) said;
"They need a lot of attention and I'm maxed on attention seekers. I'm kind of scared to buy a candy bar at this point because of this moving ordeal. 600 a month house payments got me scared of everything. "

Do you really want to be committed to a lizard for the next 25+/- years that could eat you out of house and home and be a danger to others.

I think it's great to rescue the un-wanted reptiles but it is ok to draw the line here.................

As Chip said ;
"Be sure and Google bite pictures, as well, if you want to see why these shouldn't be in the pet trade."

So many herpers have a "all or nothing" attitude when it comes to reptile ownership but the responsible herper knows that they're are some that do not belong in the pet trade and the Nile Monitor is one of them. Good for you Chip !
 
I don't think you should feel badly about passing up this animal and seeking out a more captivity-oriented species in the future. No one would criticize you for that decision. Would you be helping more by looking for a zoo placement, or something like that, for the current owner?

But if you do take it in, (and it sounds like you have), then I wish you the best. Maybe others just didn't try hard enough, or spend enough time, to tame the Nile.
 
There are always exceptions to the rule ........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLuHowGMl3I

I've seen lots of Black Throats that are tame. That alligator is an exception to the rule.
Niles........ not so much...

If the OP was inquiring about an alligator then based on the video we would have to concede the fact that they can be tamed but I'm sure most would not recommend one for a pet..
 
I had a chance at a large monitor lizard. I turned it down.
A. I accepted that I wasn't experienced enough.
B. They can get massive and I don't have the space
C. Money.
D. I have two young children that I wouldn't want to take a chance on.

OP, I would take these warnings very seriously. With an animal of this magnitude (in not only size but temperament as well), you should put a lot of time/thought into it... not just jump right in.
What good would it do to have it and have to re-home it due to one of the complications mentioned? It's not your obligation to take this creature. Good luck!
 
The number of people speaking about a species out of sheer ignorance and fear mongering is silly and beyond comprehension.

I have kept nearly every species of monitor available to the pet trade with the exception of crocodile monitors, and tree monitors. Tree monitors because they simply don't interest me, and croc monitors because they are simply too massive for me to care for right now.

I consider the nile monitor my specialty- as I've raised this species to adult size a few times now, successfully housed, rehabbed, and calmed down this species on multiple occasions.

The idea that "the damage potential is too high" "it's for advanced keepers" is stupid. There's a high damage potential with owning a car, but I bet you own one, there's a high damage potential with a firearm, but you can learn how to use it properly. The same is true of a monitor, if you randomly walked into the cage with some of the rehab animals I worked with last year, you'd get bit, whipped, scratched, and defecated on. In terms of advance keepers only... I've found people with ZERO reptile experience are generally more ready to keep a monitor- because of the fact all conventional reptile husbandry does not even apply or come close to applying to a monitor, and it's a lot easier to convince a new keeper to go through proper protocol if they aren't trying to apply other reptile husbandry to a monitor.

Now, as for the niloticus as a species. One must remember- these are flighty animals by nature. They hatch out, make their way into trees, and hide until they achieve decent size, as adults, they have to scavenge in Africa, eat small game, and steal croc eggs. None of which are laid back easy tasks. You must also remember, a monitor is not a bearded dragon, these are smart animals, they recognize individuals and scenarios, they remember traumatic events, and they hold grudges.

Here's the mistake most people make- they buy a new nile monitor, put it in a fish tank on bark, then they proceed to pick it up over and over every day like they would to tame down another reptile. Nile monitor either dies from horrible husbandry, or gets a decent size and turns mean- because it realizes the fact that it can do some damage. A nile monitor is just built instinctual different than say- a black throat.

None of my niloticus have been mean, in fact, if worked with properly, they make tremendously interesting, exciting, and rewarding captives. I own 40 acres of land, during warm summer days I could open his cage door, the front door, and he'd go outside, dig in the dirt, and wander around, when it started getting dark, he'd wander back to the house, right back into his cage, and under his heat lamp, he would sit outside and lay next to my 22lb flemish giant rabbit, and my puppy, and never gave them issues either.

First step: You need a cage, and a big one, you need it sealed all around, you want high humidity, deep dirt, and basking temperatures of 130-140 as a surface temp. You do NOT under any circumstances want to use a fish tank, fish tanks breed stress, bad temps, poor humidity, and are meant for fish, not monitor care.

Second step: Realize- you will spend a fortune on care. My monitor will eat more food in 1 year than a pair of BPs will eat in 10 years. My 1 monitor will cost more in electricity than a rack of corns. My maintenance on a monitor will take more time than a collection of most snake species.

Third step: If it's a baby, LEAVE IT ALONE. Don't force handle it, feed it, let it be, let it be a monitor, do not pick it up. It will hold a grudge. Once he starts feeding well in front of you, you can start offering food on tongs, then use the tongs to introduce your arm, I lure mine up my arms/legs/etc and tong feed them there, so they realize I'm no threat to them, baby steps, eventually your monitor will be larger (within a couple years) should come around. There are 3 things to remember:

Be careful during feeding, a growing monitor is voracious, do not mistake a high prey drive for aggression of you get tagged.

If you corner the animal, it will fight back.

Some monitors NEVER come around to human contact, this is true of all species, bosc, blackthroat, niloticus, indicus, croc, etc etc etc. If you can't handle the possibility that you'll own a large animal that you may not see often, that eats hundreds of dollars of months in food, costs you a ton in electricity, and has a cage that takes up a ton of room- a monitor is not for you.
 
Very informative post, I was hoping you'd opine. Although I find it curious that you go from calling the idea that Niles are for advanced keepers "stupid" and then go on to say that they need big cages, deep substrate, high humidity, are dangerous, require a fortune on care, and take more time than a whole collection of snakes; none of which exactly describe a beginner/intermediate lizard.
 
Very informative post, I was hoping you'd opine. Although I find it curious that you go from calling the idea that Niles are for advanced keepers "stupid" and then go on to say that they need big cages, deep substrate, high humidity, are dangerous, require a fortune on care, and take more time than a whole collection of snakes; none of which exactly describe a beginner/intermediate lizard.

A dog requires a fortune sometimes, as do several other pets, money doesn't dictate the level of care.

Neither does cage size.

The problem is- a lot of experienced reptile keepers look at a nile and treat it like EVERY OTHER REPTILE. I know retic/bp breeders who grab a monitor and throw it in a vision cage, or fish tank... Someone who has zero experience is more willing in general to listen to the idea that this animal needs a big cage, lots of space, lots of food etc- than someone who wants to apply other reptile husbandry to the varanid.
 
Okay. I can understand how this thread could be seen as irresponsible, don't think I haven't put a lot of thought into this and I'm bad for panic and psyching myself out about money situations.

Still, you do not know me. I wanted insight, yes. I didn't want someone to make the decision for me. I also used this thread to vent on some of my worries. I wanted to know more about the animal. I have done a lot of research but I wanted someone with real experience. I'm an adaptable person. Like I said, I don't need to handle and cuddle it. I just want to know he is safe and has a forever home.

CMretics. Thank you. You really helped me with that post. I wasn't sure how to "handle" the baby. I understand entirely what you mean when you talk about not picking it up. I would much rather let it be anyway. This means I don't have to be constantly trying to "tame" it. I can simply provide it with the food and environment to thrive. I can keep spending time with the real needy ones. My dogs. In the mean time I can just enjoy him for what he is.

As far as them being for beginners, if you pay any attention, learn to read the animal and dedicate yourself to caring for its needs, anyone can do it. It's just that most people just stick something in a cage just to have it. I see it all the time here. Dogs with no vet visits. Given bare minimum to survive. It's a dog, put it on a chain and give it a bucket of water and cheap corn kibble. We have a dog. Blah.

I appreciate the opinions of everyone here. If anyone has anything to add feel free. I should be taking him in thursday.
 
The number of people speaking about a species out of sheer ignorance and fear mongering is silly and beyond comprehension.

I have kept nearly every species of monitor available to the pet trade with the exception of crocodile monitors, and tree monitors. Tree monitors because they simply don't interest me, and croc monitors because they are simply too massive for me to care for right now.

I consider the nile monitor my specialty- as I've raised this species to adult size a few times now, successfully housed, rehabbed, and calmed down this species on multiple occasions.

The idea that "the damage potential is too high" "it's for advanced keepers" is stupid. There's a high damage potential with owning a car, but I bet you own one, there's a high damage potential with a firearm, but you can learn how to use it properly. The same is true of a monitor, if you randomly walked into the cage with some of the rehab animals I worked with last year, you'd get bit, whipped, scratched, and defecated on. In terms of advance keepers only... I've found people with ZERO reptile experience are generally more ready to keep a monitor- because of the fact all conventional reptile husbandry does not even apply or come close to applying to a monitor, and it's a lot easier to convince a new keeper to go through proper protocol if they aren't trying to apply other reptile husbandry to a monitor.

Now, as for the niloticus as a species. One must remember- these are flighty animals by nature. They hatch out, make their way into trees, and hide until they achieve decent size, as adults, they have to scavenge in Africa, eat small game, and steal croc eggs. None of which are laid back easy tasks. You must also remember, a monitor is not a bearded dragon, these are smart animals, they recognize individuals and scenarios, they remember traumatic events, and they hold grudges.

Here's the mistake most people make- they buy a new nile monitor, put it in a fish tank on bark, then they proceed to pick it up over and over every day like they would to tame down another reptile. Nile monitor either dies from horrible husbandry, or gets a decent size and turns mean- because it realizes the fact that it can do some damage. A nile monitor is just built instinctual different than say- a black throat.

None of my niloticus have been mean, in fact, if worked with properly, they make tremendously interesting, exciting, and rewarding captives. I own 40 acres of land, during warm summer days I could open his cage door, the front door, and he'd go outside, dig in the dirt, and wander around, when it started getting dark, he'd wander back to the house, right back into his cage, and under his heat lamp, he would sit outside and lay next to my 22lb flemish giant rabbit, and my puppy, and never gave them issues either.

First step: You need a cage, and a big one, you need it sealed all around, you want high humidity, deep dirt, and basking temperatures of 130-140 as a surface temp. You do NOT under any circumstances want to use a fish tank, fish tanks breed stress, bad temps, poor humidity, and are meant for fish, not monitor care.

Second step: Realize- you will spend a fortune on care. My monitor will eat more food in 1 year than a pair of BPs will eat in 10 years. My 1 monitor will cost more in electricity than a rack of corns. My maintenance on a monitor will take more time than a collection of most snake species.

Third step: If it's a baby, LEAVE IT ALONE. Don't force handle it, feed it, let it be, let it be a monitor, do not pick it up. It will hold a grudge. Once he starts feeding well in front of you, you can start offering food on tongs, then use the tongs to introduce your arm, I lure mine up my arms/legs/etc and tong feed them there, so they realize I'm no threat to them, baby steps, eventually your monitor will be larger (within a couple years) should come around. There are 3 things to remember:

Be careful during feeding, a growing monitor is voracious, do not mistake a high prey drive for aggression of you get tagged.

If you corner the animal, it will fight back.

Some monitors NEVER come around to human contact, this is true of all species, bosc, blackthroat, niloticus, indicus, croc, etc etc etc. If you can't handle the possibility that you'll own a large animal that you may not see often, that eats hundreds of dollars of months in food, costs you a ton in electricity, and has a cage that takes up a ton of room- a monitor is not for you.

All of this coming from a person who claims that Reticulated Pythons should be available to ALL and that any form of regulation is unthinkable.
Sorry man, you're an extremist and your opinions are subjective without the slightest tinge of serious objective critical thinking.

The conditions you stated(which do not by any means contradict anything stated by others people who responded here) are the very definition of high maintenance. You simply throw the word "stupid" around every time someone doesn't agree with the notion that we all should have one or two of these in our home.

So let's settle down and remember that you don't need to be a rocket scientist to keep an animal- so the fact that you keep them, I am sorry, doesn't make your opinion far superior to other people's. If anything, I think that the people who chose NOT to bring such an animal to their home made a far more responsible and thought out decision.

You want to continue advocating caging these animals in people's houses? fine- but calling everyone who doesn't misinformed/stupid is downright delusional and detached from any sort of sense.
 
All of this coming from a person who claims that Reticulated Pythons should be available to ALL and that any form of regulation is unthinkable.
This coming from someone that finds logic in regulating reticulated pythons because of the potential danger, but not cars, vending machines, hot dogs, and probably canines. Lets just regulate anything that could potentially be dangerous ! Guess we are all back to owning Pomeranians.. OH WAIT, a couple months ago an infant was bitten to death by a Pomeranian, goes to show how far that logic goes. Stop trying to police the world, it's silly.

Sorry man, you're an extremist and your opinions are subjective without the slightest tinge of serious objective critical thinking.
You make me the extremist, not me. Did you ask if I felt people should own these animals? No you didn't. In fact- if you had, you'd find out I believe these animals should NOT even be imported, because of the level of care they require, and the fact that they are probably the most neglected and misunderstood class of reptiles available in the pet trade BAR NONE.

I guess though, I'm an extremist for believing you should have no business telling me what car I drive, what firearms I own, what animals I own, and how I go about my life. There's a reason I moved out onto an acreage- to do what I want.

The conditions you stated(which do not by any means contradict anything stated by others people who responded here) are the very definition of high maintenance. You simply throw the word "stupid" around every time someone doesn't agree with the notion that we all should have one or two of these in our home.
I wasn't criticizing the idea of them being high maintenance animals. I was criticizing the idea that niloticus as a species is aggressive and dangerous- when in reality, 99.9% of people that bother to post on this species have no REAL knowledge of the species, its natural behavior, have on hands on time raising multiple animals to adulthood- ETC.

I also never said you should have 1 or 2 of these in your home, I'd be happy if no one had them in their homes except a select few, because lets be real here- a niloticus is a much more challenging animal to keep properly than a retic- that you can buy a proper cage (vision, boaphile, sentec, AP, boamaster), install a heat object, and feed it/handle it. That isn't complex- compared to a monitor- where you HAVE to build a cage, no cage on the market is even close to acceptable. You HAVE to spend a FORTUNE on feed/electricity for it to thrive. This isn't the case with other reptiles, I'm not concerned with the damage potential, more for the fact that 99.9% of varanids (almost all are even imported now) end up dead within a year or 2. These are just raw facts if you knew how many got imported and how many even make it to half their adult size.

So let's settle down and remember that you don't need to be a rocket scientist to keep an animal- so the fact that you keep them, I am sorry, doesn't make your opinion far superior to other people's. If anything, I think that the people who chose NOT to bring such an animal to their home made a far more responsible and thought out decision.
I'm glad you feel that way, I spent 3 weeks deciding before I bought my first monitor, I had to set up a cage, get food ready, tested how much power output I was going to use, etc. I don't consider myself irresponsible for having the animal, nor do I consider any other experienced monitor keeper responsible for owning them, as they are probably the most rewarding reptile I can imagine owning, and the experience is so much different than owning most snakes/common lizards.

You want to continue advocating caging these animals in people's houses? fine- but calling everyone who doesn't misinformed/stupid is downright delusional and detached from any sort of sense.
I'm going to continue calling people out who claim a species is aggressive and terrible based on bad information and false myths surrounding a species, it's no different than all the downright stupid people that claim rotts are such horrible dogs. I have a rott mix, he is high energy, high maintenance, he will absolutely tear into anyone who walks onto my property uninvited, he's a guard dog, and a very good one, but fact is- I'd trust him with my infant, my 105lb wife, he herds my rabbits back into cages without hurting them, never hurts even my rats or hamsters- but with your silly pathetic logic, we should ban him because if YOU where to walk into my home right now, he'd most likely put you in the hospital.

*golfclap* very nice logic
 
People get ridiculous with their comparisons. A vending machine is simply an illegitimate comparison, in any context, to a Reticulated Python or a Nile Monitor.

I personally feel that Kokopelli and Chip are using reason in their assessments, not pride or know-how. A Nile Monitor is a HUGE lizard. If someone has owned them so well, and can provide someone with zero knowledge the information to keep one (for it's life), than I would love to see an example of their setups, feeding routines, cleaning, etc.

I'm not doubting the way that you personally care for such an animal. But to refer to someone as being stupid, for basically laying out the obvious risks, I think would be helpful to see just how so. Like, pictures/videos of how "easy" it is to care for them.
 
This coming from someone that finds logic in regulating reticulated pythons because of the potential danger, but not cars, vending machines, hot dogs, and probably canines. Lets just regulate anything that could potentially be dangerous ! Guess we are all back to owning Pomeranians.. OH WAIT, a couple months ago an infant was bitten to death by a Pomeranian, goes to show how far that logic goes. Stop trying to police the world, it's silly.

Well, comparing a hotdog to a Nile monitor, though creative and entertaining, is without logic.

Wanna be realistic? alright- Nile Monitors ARE highly aggressive(highly defenseive would be a more apt description but it has the same effect) by comparison to other reptiles held in captivity. You can't run from it, and claiming anything other than that is simply either lying/being delusional.

Reticulated pythons either have killed, are are one of the two top killers of keepers in the industry- this too is not a huge deal because the statistics are still tiny when compared to none-reptiles, but you can't simply shrug these facts off and go on playing the anarchist with "no regulations!" shout-outs.

It's fine when you're 10, it loses it's grasp on reality somewhere when finishing puberty IMHO.

So... unlike yourself, who brands the 80-90% of the people who are in agreement that these animals are agressive and potentially dangers "stupid", I only state that your opinions are WAY too driven out of personal agenda and favourtism to see how detached they are from objective facts and reality.
 
People get ridiculous with their comparisons. A vending machine is simply an illegitimate comparison, in any context, to a Reticulated Python or a Nile Monitor.
No, it really isn't, as a vending machine is statistically more dangerous than either animal, its a valid point.

I personally feel that Kokopelli and Chip are using reason in their assessments, not pride or know-how. A Nile Monitor is a HUGE lizard. If someone has owned them so well, and can provide someone with zero knowledge the information to keep one (for it's life), than I would love to see an example of their setups, feeding routines, cleaning, etc.

I'm not doubting the way that you personally care for such an animal. But to refer to someone as being stupid, for basically laying out the obvious risks, I think would be helpful to see just how so. Like, pictures/videos of how "easy" it is to care for them.
When I get home (I'm on vacation at the moment), maybe I can find some time post something along these lines, I don't own a video camera, but I might be able to acquire one to borrow- but I'm glad to answer any care questions are needed.

Well, comparing a hotdog to a Nile monitor, though creative and entertaining, is without logic.
As is your logic of saying we should ban reticulated pythons for a handful of keeper deaths over the last 25 years, those are pretty good odds in my book.

Wanna be realistic? alright- Nile Monitors ARE highly aggressive(highly defenseive would be a more apt description but it has the same effect) by comparison to other reptiles held in captivity. You can't run from it, and claiming anything other than that is simply either lying/being delusional.
The fact you feel they have the "same effect" goes to show you have no idea what these words mean. My nile monitor, if cornered, will bite you. My rott mix, will actively seek you out and attack you if you step foot on the property, you don't need to corner him, if you're on my land, in my fence, you're fair game to him.

Nile monitors are considered aggressive because people like you- who are too inept to understand that the animal is not even aggressive, it's defending itself because you tossed it into a tiny cage and won't leave it alone. The fact you can't even differentiate that and figure that out, goes to show how inept you are as a reptile keeper/animal keeper in general.

I never lied and said these animals are not probably hands down the most DEFENSIVE animals you can buy in the reptile hobby, if you're stupid enough to buy one, and then not leave it alone, and you get bit, then honestly you got what is coming to you.

Reticulated pythons either have killed, are are one of the two top killers of keepers in the industry- this too is not a huge deal because the statistics are still tiny when compared to none-reptiles, but you can't simply shrug these facts off and go on playing the anarchist with "no regulations!" shout-outs.
A few people have been killed by boas. Should we ban them to? Lets be honest, a boa can kill a child if it grips properly in the right place, just as easily as a retic, afroc, conda, burm, can. Is it an extremely unlikely chance? Yep, has it happened? Yep. Doesn't constitute a ban.

It's fine when you're 10, it loses it's grasp on reality somewhere when finishing puberty IMHO.
Is this an attack of some sort? Saying I'm 10 and not going through puberty? I'm 23, own a half a million dollar home on 40 acres of land, I keep a large collection of reptiles, ranging from colubrids to retics to monitors. I've spent hands on time with most zoo animals.

Please, don't make me laugh.

So... unlike yourself, who brands the 80-90% of the people who are in agreement that these animals are agressive and potentially dangers "stupid", I only state that your opinions are WAY too driven out of personal agenda and favourtism to see how detached they are from objective facts and reality.

I never said it's a potential danger. It's potentially dangerous to walk into a fence with a random dog. The difference is, if you walk into a fence and get bit by a dog, it's your own dumb fault- but for the monitor, you should just be able to do whatever you want and expect no consequence.

I've NEVER had a niloticus stay "aggressive" after 2 weeks with me and my way of working with them in a very hands off, on their terms approach, you just have to know the animal and not be an idiot when dealing with the animal.
 
I would just like to add that I do not support regulation of herps such as Niles, retics, or sulcatta. I would like to see them out of the pet trade, however. They are on every price list I get at my store, and I can only wonder how many go out into unprepared pet shops and even less prepared homes. I see the potential keepers with more enthusiasm than understanding weekly. And I get the phone calls asking if I will take in the unwanted reptiles -and at least a couple of times a year -arrive at work to find a door step baby. These are only the ones that survive. Removing the danger to humans for a moment, I think we all can agree that the vast majority of these animals endure untold suffering and die prematurely. Ultimately, it is the uneducated or unrealistic buyers who are to blame, but there is profit motivating the importation and captive breeding, even at the $35 price point .
 
No, it really isn't, as a vending machine is statistically more dangerous than either animal, its a valid point.

No, it's not.
The number of times human beings interact with vending machines is far greater than the number of times humans interact with specific reptiles- so you can't compare total number of incidents, you need to compare relative frequency statistically. If you don't understand that I suggest you use some of the funds you're bragging about and take a course.


When I get home (I'm on vacation at the moment), maybe I can find some time post something along these lines, I don't own a video camera, but I might be able to acquire one to borrow- but I'm glad to answer any care questions are needed.

As is your logic of saying we should ban reticulated pythons for a handful of keeper deaths over the last 25 years, those are pretty good odds in my book.

Well "your book" was not peer reviewed and is not realy backed up by anything other than an uneducated opinion.

The fact you feel they have the "same effect" goes to show you have no idea what these words mean. My nile monitor, if cornered, will bite you. My rott mix, will actively seek you out and attack you if you step foot on the property, you don't need to corner him, if you're on my land, in my fence, you're fair game to him.

Again this "my land" notion- very patriotic of you but lets dial down a notch on the whole ownership/territoriality thing?
Human beings live in societies... I know, the term might be confusing, but among other things it means that people like you are typically poor neighbors and that's not something I'd take pride in- nor would I want to live next to someone who takes joy in encouraging such a behavior from a dog.


Nile monitors are considered aggressive because people like you- who are too inept to understand that the animal is not even aggressive, it's defending itself because you tossed it into a tiny cage and won't leave it alone. The fact you can't even differentiate that and figure that out, goes to show how inept you are as a reptile keeper/animal keeper in general.

I never lied and said these animals are not probably hands down the most DEFENSIVE animals you can buy in the reptile hobby, if you're stupid enough to buy one, and then not leave it alone, and you get bit, then honestly you got what is coming to you.

Well at least I am not too inept to understand that injury sustained from defensiveness and injury sustained from aggressiveness is still an injury(hence, same effect).

A few people have been killed by boas. Should we ban them to? Lets be honest, a boa can kill a child if it grips properly in the right place, just as easily as a retic, afroc, conda, burm, can. Is it an extremely unlikely chance? Yep, has it happened? Yep. Doesn't constitute a ban.

Show me numbers, if you'll prove that the incident ratio between serious injury/fatalities to number of interactions is the same for BCI as it is for Reticulated pythons than yes, I will completely endorse some form of regulation. I promise you, you won't. Boas are a deal more common, and the number of fatalities a deal lesser- but no problem, show me numbers.

The fact that you don't seem to understand the difference between regulation and ban doesn't speak very highly of serious consideration.


Is this an attack of some sort? Saying I'm 10 and not going through puberty? I'm 23, own a half a million dollar home on 40 acres of land, I keep a large collection of reptiles, ranging from colubrids to retics to monitors. I've spent hands on time with most zoo animals.

Please, don't make me laugh.

Huh?
I stated that an anarchistic approach does not befit anyone beyond puberty. How you understood the sentance is just a sign of not paying attention.

As for the rest- what on earth does that prove? that you do well for a living( or quite likely, that you inherited money?) that you're a young man with so much ego that you think any of these things say anything about what your opinions are worth?

No, it simply means you're lucky, and very arrogant about it.

I never said it's a potential danger. It's potentially dangerous to walk into a fence with a random dog. The difference is, if you walk into a fence and get bit by a dog, it's your own dumb fault- but for the monitor, you should just be able to do whatever you want and expect no consequence.

I've NEVER had a niloticus stay "aggressive" after 2 weeks with me and my way of working with them in a very hands off, on their terms approach, you just have to know the animal and not be an idiot when dealing with the animal.

Reptiles, unlike dogs, are neither mentally developed enough, nor have been selectively bred for hundreds and thousands of years. So comparing the two, again, is not sensible... and no, not in anyone's book, it's just poor logic.

It's dangerous to allow people who are possibly uneducated and who live in neighborhoods to keep such animals- not because they may do damage to themselves- but the animal can escape and injure a neighbor or the child in the house.

So... I'm completely still in the opinion that these animals should NOT be available as pets- as this goes for ANY animal that has a high fatality/serious injury for total number of interactions ratio.

Regulate it by forcing people who want to own an animal to attend a short, inexpansive course? fine by me, but to allow just about anyone to waltz up and own a large powerful wild animal? no, I disagree with this completely.
 
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