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Genetics.

No no, do not missunderstand- the fact that several studies suggest that does not mean it's an absolute fact.
 
If you go back to my original post on reptile genetics being very poorly represented it should have cleared up the whole thing about "reversed cause and effect".
Think I'll remove myself from this thread since no one seems to actually be reading through all the posts. You can't breed a hognose and a corn snake and produce offspring. That's that.
 
Spencer said:
I was going to post that I was too afraid of the venom issue But now that each one does.
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I'm about finished with this thread too, but please understand, the bite of a hognose snake is very different from a corn bite. I have no reaction whatsoever to a corn bite. Hog bites bleed, itch, are painful, and worst, the snakes won't let go.

If you want to put these animals in a cage together and try to get them to breed, I can't stop you. I don't think you are going to get viable eggs, if they could even recognize each other as something to breed.
 
AliCat37 said:
If you go back to my original post on reptile genetics being very poorly represented it should have cleared up the whole thing about "reversed cause and effect".
Think I'll remove myself from this thread since no one seems to actually be reading through all the posts. You can't breed a hognose and a corn snake and produce offspring. That's that.
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I apologize but I think you were not as clear as you think you were, and you blame people for not reading your posts rather than try to explain- you're entitled to do that, but it's not fair to blame all the participants of not reading your posts.

I'd love to understand why in your opinion a Hognose X Corn breeding is impossible when Lampropeltis X Pantherophis, Pituohophis X Pantherophis or Morelia X Python (Morelia Spilota X BP) are all confirmed possible breedings?

You assert that it's impossbile, you say that they are too different- how different? they have more genetic missmatch than the pairs I stated above? I'd really like to hear more about it. You only stated that they are of different genus- and you yourself also stated that the taxonomy in snakes is messed up, you seem to be confident in your answer and I'd love to learn, if you're willing to share.
 
PS- I don't understand the negative vibes. This is a discussion about a hypothesis. No one is encouraging the act and if the OP is set on doing it, well, getting angry won't really change that.
 
Kokopelli said:
I'd love to understand why in your opinion a Hognose X Corn breeding is impossible when Lampropeltis X Pantherophis, Pituohophis X Pantherophis or Morelia X Python (Morelia Spilota X BP) are all confirmed possible breedings?

You assert that it's impossbile, you say that they are too different- how different? they have more genetic missmatch than the pairs I stated above? .
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I explained that in post #17.
 
Chip said:
I explained that in post #17.
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Hey Chip,
Again, no disrespect, but I think that the discussed difference is a matter of personal perception(not that I disagree, the differences are obvious to me as well).

But... for instance:
http://www.moreliapythons.com/forum...retty-quot-full-body-shots___-(dialup)/page6=

Woma Python (Aspidites ramsayi) X Morelia Spilota - I mean, aren't they quite different within the Python family? One is semi-tropica, the other lives in the desert... semi-aroboreal vs very terrestrial... heatpits- one has'em, the other doesn't.... all I'm saying is, that I don't know the "genetic weight" behind these differences as opposed to the differences between hognoses and corns... maybe you're familiar with information that I do not know, quite possible... but do we know for a fact that the genetic variation between a corn and a hognose is bigger than it is between a Woma and a Carpet?
 
This is all in Hypothetical now. My corn is not breed ready for another 2 years and 150 grams, and my Hognose is just 3 months old, and if its similar to the breeding of a corn, it will be even longer for him.

All in all, this was hypothetical. Its not something I want to try. Its something I want to know if its possible, or if it has been tried before.... Then later I could decide if I wanted to try.

hy try it if its scientifically proven wrong. So I thought this thread would clear things up.

It hasnt. What I have so far is some people saying it is possible, Where others are saying its immpossible, where others are saying They Doubt it is possible. and others saying they saw pics.
Can you see where the confusions lie? and then people are getting angry because I am not reading all the posts. I am. Its just it still doesnt give me a clear answer. I dont know which posts are more reliable.
I dont mean any disrespect to anyone either. To be honest, I should have probably payed more attention in Science class.

anyways. I cant seem to find any diffinitive proof one way or the other.
I was hoping someone somewhere has tried it.

If anyone is interested though, A pet shop tried to pass this off as a ball Hognose cross....wanted 200 for it. its a couple years old I think.

http://s647.photobucket.com/user/rcpreis3/media/ballXhog.jpg.html

I was almost fooled. for a second.
 
I can't get the picture to open, anyone else?

Edit, after several refreshings, I see what appears to be a hand holding the head of a bp?
 
Odd,
Here:
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wtf10.jpg


There are a bunch of others from the same clutch but you get the idea. Later in that thread they confirm it's a Woma X IJ - I can post a screenshot if you want to see yourself.
 
I have adult Hognose and corn breeders but I think this would keep me from ever wondering any further.

''Heterodon means "different tooth," which refers to the enlarged teeth on the rear of the upper jaw. These teeth inject a mild venom into its prey, and also serve to pop inflated toads like a balloon to enable swallowing. They use their blunt nose to search through leaf litter and soil for prey.

Adults mainly eat toads, but will sometimes eat other frogs, insects, and invertebrates. Juveniles eat small frogs and toads, insects, lizards, and small snakes.''

Their mild venom might be just an irritant to humans but to a corn snake it might be enough to kill ?????

I would hate to test out the question at hand at the expense of one of my breeder corns.

Nothing wrong with asking though.

I do believe AliCat37 would be proven correct. :)
 
If my corns bit like hogs, I would have to treat them as hots. And I feel certain Michelle would be proven right as well.
 
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