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Is this a okeetee

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Cardin

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Got this at a pet store think it's a okeetee can anyone confirm for me
 

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It looks like a normal to me, as well. Normal corn snakes can have quite a bit of color variation and they will usually go through quite a drastic color change as they age. I bet you that snake will look completely different in a year!
 
Hatchling normals typically start off pretty dark in color, and then lighten up as they grow. I agree that is a normal/classic.
 
It has a very clean pattern and will be a very pretty snake. An okeetee is just a normal also, in the sense that there are no genes at play.
 
I agree with everyone else. There are huge variations in normals! Beautiful either way!
 
I would also say classic
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Here is my okeetee at about 3 months old
 
Agree with it being a normal = classic = carolina, and not an Okeetee.

Here's some more comparison for you. This is an older animal than what you've posted, but should still give you some idea of young Okeetee characteristics.

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I have some outcrossed WC Okeetee photos, but the links are dead to them due to no longer being a Comcast customer (Comcast, like my ISPs use to give customers free webspace for their own websites). I can upload them and what their mom looks like (she's from Jasper County, SC and not far from the Okeetee area).
 


His parents were w/c's from the Okeetee Hunt Club in Jasper Co. SC. No thick borders on this one, I think that was something that became bred for over time. Karl Caulfield, in his book Snakes and Snake Keeping never mentions thick borders on corn snakes he found in the OHC as I recall. What is "Okeetee" has been a long, sometimes sore subject amongst keepers, as everyone seems to have their own "minds eye view" as to what makes one. Getting them from breeders you can trust is the best start :). And as always great pics Chris...
 
I have hunted the Okeetee hunt club. The corn snakes typically do not look much at all like the Okeetee phase animals. Here are a couple that Davie Jones collected in the late 90's:
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For comparison, this is a Lee Abbott "designer" Okeetee:
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you guys are hitting it on the head. I think the key here is the term Phase.. I have a Miami PHASE corn snake that its ancestry is from corns in North Carolina. My breeder breeds for the miami phase look and does a great job but none of the lines are from miami or even florida.
The OP snake is very nice looking. I think sometimes people think normal is a negative thing which is why I like the term classic..
 
germanshepherd said:
you guys are hitting it on the head. I think the key here is the term Phase.. I have a Miami PHASE corn snake that its ancestry is from corns in North Carolina. My breeder breeds for the miami phase look and does a great job but none of the lines are from miami or even florida.
The OP snake is very nice looking. I think sometimes people think normal is a negative thing which is why I like the term classic..
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Mild hijack, but to stir the pot a bit (this isn't directed at you germansheperd, per se). The example above would be one could argue within the locality debate. There are corns from the Appalachians (western NC & SC, north GA & AL, eastern TN & KY) that have a "Miami" look to them but are not what I would consider Miami. I, personally if/when I branch into corn localities would be rather annoyed if I spent money on above localities if I were wanting "Miami" and found out they were not Miami. But that's the locality herper (snob) in me.
 
HerpsOfNM said:
Mild hijack, but to stir the pot a bit (this isn't directed at you germansheperd, per se). The example above would be one could argue within the locality debate. There are corns from the Appalachians (western NC & SC, north GA & AL, eastern TN & KY) that have a "Miami" look to them but are not what I would consider Miami. I, personally if/when I branch into corn localities would be rather annoyed if I spent money on above localities if I were wanting "Miami" and found out they were not Miami. But that's the locality herper (snob) in me.
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no offense taken and was not meant to be a hijack :) I had a hard time finding an actual Miami (locality wise) but quite pleased with my Miami Phase.. actually, I prefer a Miami Phase because I find them to be a bit nicer looking than the true locality specimens. kind of like the Abbotts okeetee, bred to have the nicer thicker borders on the saddles but like anything, its all subjective..
 
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