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question about the honey morph

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joann42

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I know its caramel x sunkissed. But i google pics and some are light yellow with dark yellow saddles and some are grey with yellow saddles.
I really like the grey/yellow.
What causes the color variations? Is the grey more influence from a miami sunkissed and the more yellow ones classic sunkissed?
Sorry if this is a stupid question, still learning.
 
Can you direct us to an example of what you are talking about?
Both "ingredients" of the honey morph have a wide range of visual differences.

Terri
 
The color variation is probably due to age + lineage. Young honeys tend to have a lot more gray than adults, simply because they have yet to color up.
 
Rigby & Marcy said:
I know what you're talking about, I've noticed that some are very grey even as adults. Gary of Crazy Colubrids has a perfect example in his 2015 pairings thread, where he bred a honey to another honey of a much different tone. Pairing #12 in this thread. Anyway, I think it's just a matter of lineage.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139649
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You are just plain MEAN. Making me look at Gary's pairings, making me wipe drool from my chin, knowing he is in Canada and I am not. MEAN GIRL!!! :blowup: :roflmao:
 
smigon said:
You are just plain MEAN. Making me look at Gary's pairings, making me wipe drool from my chin, knowing he is in Canada and I am not. MEAN GIRL!!! :blowup: :roflmao:
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Hah, now you know how we feel looking at American breeders like Teve Roylance's snakes!
 
Rigby & Marcy said:
I know what you're talking about, I've noticed that some are very grey even as adults. Gary of Crazy Colubrids has a perfect example in his 2015 pairings thread, where he bred a honey to another honey of a much different tone. Pairing #12 in this thread. Anyway, I think it's just a matter of lineage.
http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=139649
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Yes that is what I mean. Also Elemental Exotics has one with a nice grey background and its an adult(very pretty one too).
 
As far as I know, which granted isn't much, I think the various shades of gray are just natural variation and all shades of the spectrum can show up in a clutch. Though I'm sure if someone took the time, they could probably do quite a bit with some selective line breeding. As far as I know, no one is really working on that right now though. Could be a cool project, my Honey's back half is almost greenish in certain lights, with the mix of yellow and gray.
 
Rigby & Marcy said:
So do you have any thoughts on the reasons, Gary? I wonder if these honeys will produce yellow or grey backgrounds...
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Like Tavia said it could just be natural variation. I'm hoping that a little selective breeding will yield some fantastic results. I plan to hold back some from my Honey pairing and see if they develop that same grey background.
 
joann42 said:
Is the grey more influence from a miami sunkissed and the more yellow ones classic sunkissed?
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You think right, but grey colour is part of the natural variation in many localites and bred strains.

The amount of red and yellow pigmentation is also affected by natural variation.
In Honeys the red pigments is turned yellow with caramel gene (and sunkissed give hypo effect plus different patterns)

If the snake have grey pigmentation the grey pigments tend to over shadow the red/yellow pigments, masking red/yellow between blotches.
 
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