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Problem feeders - genetic?

EricB

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This is my third season breeding my Anery Motley/Stripe.

She has double clutched each season.

Out of all 6 clutches (20 - 24 eggs each), roughly 40% don't start eating for over a month and I must resort to tease feeding, scenting, braining, etc.

I have only lost 3 hatchlings to starvation.

It is my understanding that this is a bit extreme? More often than not, breeders have a few, or less, that are a challenge to get started? If this is true, is it genetic or more likely environmental?
 
Very good question Eric. Don't know if it's genetic and I certainly hope not! But 40% is a high number and is enough to make anyone wonder!

Good luck with them!!! (I have a clutch hatching soon and am not looking forward to those fussy eaters. I lost 2 of 3 last year who just refused to eat, despite every trick I've read, including scenting with anole skins and using Dawn!)
 
Do you find it happens with both clutches or more the second clutch? I usually find my second clutch babies to be more reluctant to eat and are slightly smaller than their first clutch siblings.
 
Do you find it happens with both clutches or more the second clutch? I usually find my second clutch babies to be more reluctant to eat and are slightly smaller than their first clutch siblings.

Another good question.

However, I am not an experienced breeder, just a cornsnake lover who happened to have 3 adult corns, one of whom laid eggs the last couple of years. It wasn't until I had some time to research how to care for eggs last year that I began to get more involved, incubating a small clutch of 12, 3 of which hatched. Unfortunately, there was only 1 survivor, a healthy, unsexed yearling (will be exactly a year on 7/30) who just tipped the scale at 135 grams. He eats large hoppers and is ready to graduate to small mice soon!).

My female snake Lilly (don't know if you've followed any of my other relatively WORDY posts here) has just laid her second clutch of 9 eggs on 7/2, the first of 19 eggs laid on 5/21. So I'm still waiting for the first one to hatch. I do hope you're wrong about the size because the eggs in the second clutch were HUGE compared to her first. Maybe had to do with the fact that the first was laid without her laybox and under a hide. I had removed it because she had developed a clicking sound and a puffy throat which I thought was a respiratory infection but turned out to be because she was trying to blow out the powdery residue of the coconut bark substrate from her little nostrils which were impacted in there due to excessive burrowing. The vet I spoke with recommended I take 2 valium and call her back the next day!! LOL!

(If you haven't seen any of my posts, then you don't know I am more anxious than a reggae band at a Ku Klux Klan rally!!!) :eek:

But seriously, for health issues, it might be worth your while to purchase a used copy of Rossi's "What's Wrong With My Snake?" Not limited to corns but probably saved me a fortune on vets!

So, I HOPE you're wrong because I REALLY don't wanna go through that again, but I love my pets, therefore, no matter what, I'll do what I gotta do! I have a pretty good history of having pets with a LOOONG life, as I have had a boa live a little past 15 years, 2 cats live to be about 18 (one died just before turning 18 and her sibling passed 4 months after at a little over 18), and I've had many, MANY reptiles which lived past their expected ages (mostly lizards but I have two tortoises at my mom's who have lived in her backyard - YES, in Brooklyn! - since the 1970's and are still going strong! Actually, I don't consider them to be my pets anymore because I moved out twenty-something years ago! But I initiated their care and taught those whom I left them with what to do and how to care for Bonnie & Clyde!! My sister and brother-in-law care for them now as they live next door to my mom. And my adult corns are 8 years-old this year. I nursed and assist-fed and finally even force fed the two hatchlings who didn't make it up to almost three months last year! Neither of them ever ate, though one did strike, grab, and then released a pinky once! Poor babies! Probably Mother Nature's way of culling out the weakest of the species (she can be a remorseless B***H!!!). (Torch & Noodles - RIP!). Bottom line is that I will do what I have to do to ensure the highest quality of life and for as long as ethically possible for all my pets.

It's not just a hobby. They are my family - not to mention, better than MOST people! Wish everyone treated them as such. There would be no intentional cruelty in the world. (I say intentional because even I am human - my point about MOST people and I have to include MYSELF in that statement! - and I was cohabbing my 3 adults up to this past April when members on this site suggested it wasn't good and though my snakes were obviously healthy and appeared happy, I did the research and the information I discovered compelled me to rethink everything I knew and had been "taught" about corns! So I had to do the right thing and separate them immediately, lest I be like everyone else and a part of the problem as opposed to the solution, as most people would just perpetuate the status quo whether it has to do with corn snakes or life in the community or even politics in our world)! :eek:

Well there I go again!! Tangential thinking and perseveration of the issues which is common for those of us who are bipolar dopefiends with PTSD & OCD (did I mention I tried OCD Anonymous but 144 steps was too much! They kept repeating every step 12 times!!!). :eek1:

BTW, Happy Independence Day gekosin!!! :fullauto: :dancer: :madeuce: :uzi: :bomb::blowhead:
 
CORRECTION!!!

Sorry there gekosin! Just happened to notice that you're located in South Africa and NOT the U.S., a typical oversight of Americans who often act as if we are the center of the universe (well, we kinda ARE, no?).

In any event, Happy belated Freedom Day, which I believe is celebrated on April 27th! (Unlike most Americans, unfortunately, I do know what's happening in the world!)
 
How soon after their first shed do you offer food?

I started waiting a week or so after their first shed to offer food, and my success rate for feeding has increased.

I think they often are not hungry yet, so waiting to offer food, until they are hungry, increases your chances of getting them to eat.
 
How soon after their first shed do you offer food?

I started waiting a week or so after their first shed to offer food, and my success rate for feeding has increased.

I think they often are not hungry yet, so waiting to offer food, until they are hungry, increases your chances of getting them to eat.

Thanx for that! That could be almost 3 weeks though, no? Definitely worth it though and worth a try. But if one sheds and is cruising around a lot looking like it's searching for food, I'm assuming an exception could be made. :uhoh:
 
Thanx for that! That could be almost 3 weeks though, no? Definitely worth it though and worth a try. But if one sheds and is cruising around a lot looking like it's searching for food, I'm assuming an exception could be made. :uhoh:

Usually two weeks, give or take. Since I feed all of the babies from the clutch the same day, I wait one week after the last shed, so some are two weeks from the day they hatch, some are about two and a half weeks.

I have been doing it this way the past couple years. I think it was Carol Huddleston who mentioned it, and I decided to give it a try.
 
Usually two weeks, give or take. Since I feed all of the babies from the clutch the same day, I wait one week after the last shed, so some are two weeks from the day they hatch, some are about two and a half weeks.

I have been doing it this way the past couple years. I think it was Carol Huddleston who mentioned it, and I decided to give it a try.

THANX!!!

This information is greatly appreciated!!!!!
 
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