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Amel Lava's freshly shed

dwyn127

Cinderazzo
I've never cared much for Amel snakes before these hatched. The Lava gene really softens the color, reminds me of orange sherbet and I really like the orange eyes! :cool:

The last pic is their Amel het Lava brother.
 

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They're beautiful! I agree with you about the softening color - I really like the look. :)
 
So it was easy to tell them apart? or were there some borderline that you just had to call Amels because they were so close? I'm a little nervous, well, not nervous, anxious, at the thought of trying to tell the difference between Lava, Amel, and Lavamel, especially after adding a pattern gene...
 
Very pretty. I especially like the 2nd one.

Awesome looking babies, Danny! Simply gorgeous!

Thanx guys!


So it was easy to tell them apart? or were there some borderline that you just had to call Amels because they were so close? I'm a little nervous, well, not nervous, anxious, at the thought of trying to tell the difference between Lava, Amel, and Lavamel, especially after adding a pattern gene...

I studied the Lava thread posted by Joe Pierce in hopes it would help me tell the difference but after they shed the differences were night and day. I'll try to get a pic of an Amel, Amel Lava and a Lava all together. I think it's pretty easy to tell the difference.
 
I don't think I could covet any snake more than that...........seriously. :devil01:

Fan - frickin - tastic, and huge congrats. :cheers:
 
Lava/Amel

I bought a snake awhile back that was supposed to be homo amel and lava,when I recieved it, it looked like a run of the mill amel. I didnt like it and sent it back.I know amel masks hypo,but I have produced alot nicer amels in the past,that were much nicer.I have heard the term lavamel and know lavas used to be called transparent hypos. I have 1.1 lavas that supposed to be pure and not het for anything the guy who I purchased them from has only bred them into okeetees that were from wild caught parents.I plan to breed the male to a female amel of some type.I am wondering how close Lava works like ultramel.The results will be posted next year!
 
Beautiful red and orange snakeys. When the red and orange just gets too much for you, let me know. :D ;)

What gorgeous little babies!

I don't think I could covet any snake more than that...........seriously. :devil01:Fan - frickin - tastic, and huge congrats. :cheers:
Those guys are beautiful congrats!!

Oh wow Danny - they are beautiful!!!

Thank you all for your comments, much appreciated!


I bought a snake awhile back that was supposed to be homo amel and lava,when I recieved it, it looked like a run of the mill amel. I didnt like it and sent it back.I know amel masks hypo,but I have produced alot nicer amels in the past,that were much nicer.I have heard the term lavamel and know lavas used to be called transparent hypos. I have 1.1 lavas that supposed to be pure and not het for anything the guy who I purchased them from has only bred them into okeetees that were from wild caught parents.I plan to breed the male to a female amel of some type.I am wondering how close Lava works like ultramel.The results will be posted next year!

Thanx Stephen, I've heard amel masks hypo too and that's why the only one sold so far (1st pic) was sold for the same price as the one in the 3rd pic. I'm thinking he got a deal. :grin01:
 
Beautiful hatchlings!

Out of curiosity what is the genetic makeup of the parents of these guys?

I did a breeding this year of an Amel Lava, het anery x Anery, het lava, amel. I found that there was a great deal of difficulty sorting out the hatchlings...which was which. I even went so far as to question the validity of my Amel Lava dam...was she or wasn't she. When I got her as a young hatchling she was very bright in reds, not soft coloured at all.

Perhaps the odds gods just wrecked havoc with my clutch...who knows, and that could well be the case. Knowing that the amel lava adult I have is so deep red, I would have assumed the intensity of the reds after first shed would be the determining factor. Knowing that amels can come in all variations in colours made it even more difficult...was this an amel or was it an amel lava.

I'm just erring on the side of caution, holding the most intense red coloured "amels" (?) back, and selling the rest as amels. I'll do some test breedings in the years to come to see if my theory is correct or not.

Lava is definitely masked by amel...and that's what makes the differentiation visually so hard. I'm just wondering why lava would soften the reds, not intensify them. Any theories on this? It's all so very confusing to me...a puzzler for sure.

I've talked to a few other breeders who are also working with amel lavas (?) and they are having the same problem. They say they don't know how many true amel lavas they've shipped off as 'just very red amels' because visually they are not able to distinguish the single or double combo from each other.

The snows (?) I got from my pairing were just as puzzling...were they snows, or lavamel anerys. Too bad Joe P. isn't around anymore to help clear up this confusion.

Ruth
 
Out of curiosity what is the genetic makeup of the parents of these guys?

The parents were 1.0 Lava het Opal Stripe X 0.1 Okeetee het Amel Lava, Joe Pierce stock.

I'm just erring on the side of caution, holding the most intense red coloured "amels" (?) back, and selling the rest as amels. I'll do some test breedings in the years to come to see if my theory is correct or not.

I'm hoping you are wrong here because I'm doing the opposite, selling the red amels and holding back the others. LOL


Lava is definitely masked by amel...and that's what makes the differentiation visually so hard. I'm just wondering why lava would soften the reds, not intensify them. Any theories on this? It's all so very confusing to me...a puzzler for sure.

Too bad Joe P. isn't around anymore to help clear up this confusion.

Maybe he is....

From Joe's thread, The History of the Lava gene

Amel Lavas or Lavamels look very different from their Amel Okeetee siblings, but can look a great deal like Sunglows. When they are born, they have the bluish markings on their heads like most Lavas do and seem to have a bluish cast to them. My first impression of them was that they looked like hatchlings Albino Burmese Pythons or Candy Corn.

When compared to their Amel Okeetee siblings, the red blotches are changed to orange and the white areas on the Amel Okeetee are filled in with an orange/yellow coloration. The addition of the bluish color of the Lavas is present in the hatchlings, but soon fades. Other people who have hatched out Amel Lavas, have been able to pick them out of their clutches fairly easily like I have.

It seems to me, that the Lava Gene may be adding orange coloration to the equation. They are very orange hypos and with the added orange coloration to the Amels, it seems that way to me, but there may be other explanations.

Here's a pic of the dad, definitely orange-y.
 

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