Question about bloodred

Well i know bloodreds are selectively bred diffused corns but i notice that on this forum people call ALL diffused corns bloodreds. By my understanding a corn is only bloodred if he is completely (or almost) red when he's and adult.
So what is going on here?

Nobody that knows what's going on?

When the gene first came out, it was called bloodred, because of the way the animals looked. Thus, it is a hold over that's still in the vocabulary. And ghost blood sounds better then diffused ghost. :P

As Megan said, the term "bloodred" for the diffuse gene is very ingrained in our vocabulary. Also, more newbies are more familiar with that term versus the other so to avoid having to always explain it, many breeders still use the older, less accurate term. It's similar to the use of the term "albino". That is a very old term and it is basically only the pet shops that still use it, but everyone here still has to explain it on an almost daily basis.

Ooh i see, pretty confusing for people who want to buy a bloodred hatchling (the one that goes completely red at adulthood) and in stead would get a normal diffused.

You usually have a clue about how they will turn out by looking. From my viewing of progression threads the ones that end up the deep red tend to be very gray (miami like) in their background color as hatchlings, where as the ones that don't look more like classics (regular normals) with the deffusion on the sides as hatchlings

Originally Posted by atmox

Ooh i see, pretty confusing for people who want to buy a bloodred hatchling (the one that goes completely red at adulthood) and in stead would get a normal diffused.

Yes, it's confusing, but if someone is very serious about getting a selectively bred look versus "just" the genetic version, then they should do their homework and search for a breeder that produces the selectively bred variety as well as asking to see the parents as that is one of the best ways to know how a hatchling will look like as an adult.

Also another confusing point is that most very young hatchlings, under 3 months usually, have a sex difference in colour - males tending to be more red and females tending to be more grey/brown. It's odd but if you seperate the sexes into 2 groups you can see this. Of course if they are bloodred bred the females will turn red as they grow but if you are new to this morph you may be inclined to lean away from a female neonate if you are choosing by colour.

Originally Posted by atmox

By my understanding a corn is only bloodred if he is completely (or almost) red when he's and adult.

Originally Posted by atmox

Ooh i see, pretty confusing for people who want to buy a bloodred hatchling (the one that goes completely red at adulthood) and in stead would get a normal diffused.

But by your understanding, it is impossible to buy a bloodred hatchling, because the designation of "bloodred" isn't bestowed upon an animal until it has proven itself to be a sufficiently high quality diffused animal, which takes a couple of years, or maybe more. Your statements here are logically inconsistent. So, you can buy a hatchling from bloodred parents and know with reasonable certainty that you will end up with a snake you would call a bloodred. Or, you can buy a hatchling marketed as a "bloodred" and know that a lot of people use that term interchangeably with the term "diffused." Whether the people using the term have no distinction between them or simply a different cut-off than someone else for the designation of "bloodred" brings us to the same place--buyer beware if you care about where that distinction is. Whether the animals in question are good enough to be called bloodred is subjective, and you are as free as anyone to make that assessment.

You will find the same issues with reverse okeetees, neon amels, and sunglows--all selectively bred amels.

The issue of using the term bloodred to denote the diffusion gene becomes much more confusing when it is in combination with alleles that produce a snake with no red at all--diffused grey snakes or diffused yellow snakes, for example. Then the issue becomes even more confusing because instead of referring to the alleles in question, people swap in common names for combos of homozygous recessive conditions at many loci. A pewter, for example, is an anery B diffused--homozygous recessive at two loci, one name. But an anery A diffused is called an anery blood(red)--homozygous recessive at two loci, both of which are referenced in the name, but which doesn't produce red at all.

Originally Posted by desertanimal

But by your understanding, it is impossible to buy a bloodred hatchling, because the designation of "bloodred" isn't bestowed upon an animal until it has proven itself to be a sufficiently high quality diffused animal, which takes a couple of years, or maybe more. Your statements here are logically inconsistent. So, you can buy a hatchling from bloodred parents and know with reasonable certainty that you will end up with a snake you would call a bloodred. Or, you can buy a hatchling marketed as a "bloodred" and know that a lot of people use that term interchangeably with the term "diffused." Whether the people using the term have no distinction between them or simply a different cut-off than someone else for the designation of "bloodred" brings us to the same place--buyer beware if you care about where that distinction is. Whether the animals in question are good enough to be called bloodred is subjective, and you are as free as anyone to make that assessment.

You will find the same issues with reverse okeetees, neon amels, and sunglows--all selectively bred amels.

The issue of using the term bloodred to denote the diffusion gene becomes much more confusing when it is in combination with alleles that produce a snake with no red at all--diffused grey snakes or diffused yellow snakes, for example. Then the issue becomes even more confusing because instead of referring to the alleles in question, people swap in common names for combos of homozygous recessive conditions at many loci. A pewter, for example, is an anery B diffused--homozygous recessive at two loci, one name. But an anery A diffused is called an anery blood(red)--homozygous recessive at two loci, both of which are referenced in the name, but which doesn't produce red at all.

Good points, but it needs to be added that there are special names for several more of the combos with the diffuse gene...granite, sulfur, plasma, avalanche, fire and whiteout.