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Husbandry and Basic Care General stuff about keeping and maintaining cornsnakes in captivity. |
Live or F/T?
06-22-2008, 04:15 AM
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06-22-2008, 04:35 AM
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#52
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Originally Posted by JanuaryLove
what are your inputs and why?
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Pictures are worth a 1000 words.
But this is a rescued animal that was fed live animals. From what I was told these wounds are 5 years old. This snake was gnawed on by its food.
This is from an adult corn snake.
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06-22-2008, 05:01 AM
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Question to the live feeders-
Many of you state that you watch the kill and are ready if it goes a bit wrong.
So tell me this. You drop in a live mouse, your snake strikes but doesn't get it square on the head. It gets the shoulder or side and wraps around to constrict. The mouse knows it's about to die and turns and bites at your snakes head....How quick are you to stop this happening, and more to the point HOW, do you remedy this. After all there is a life and death struggle going on in your viv.....I would be interested to know how you do this.....Just saying you watch and are ready isn't good enough for me...I want facts.....
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06-22-2008, 05:12 AM
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That's never been an issue. Occasionally a snake gets a bad grip (grabs the leg or whatever) but they always manage to coil nicely. In fact - I've witness a king coil a mouse without even biting it - because he had another mouse coiled that he was biting. I've also seen them coil a mouse, let go and move it down the coils while they coil another.
A very good friend of mine died because he nicked himself while shaving, it got infected and the infection spread to his brain very quickly. While I personally rarely shave, the fact that there are documented cases of shaving resulting in death, including a friend of mine, doesn't mean a father shouldn't teach his son how to shave.
Snakes are very good at what they do, even a snake raised on f/t figures it out very quickly and are very adept at it. Accidents are the exception, not the rule. Gnawed snakes like the one shown in the photo from the rescue are the result of leaving prey in with a snake that is not interested in feeding. That's easy to avoid - if a snake is going to eat, it pursues the prey very quickly. If it doesn't, remove the prey.
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06-22-2008, 05:29 AM
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not exactly the answer I was seeking is it......Very rarely etc.etc. Isn't an answer to my question is it......I want to know the procedure for the time it goes wrong...After all, live feeders have stated they are ready. So what is the procedure for when it goes wrong. No matter how remote the scenario , what do you do?
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06-22-2008, 06:06 AM
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Same thing I did when one of my kings clamped down hard on the head of the other during breeding.
Interfere and remedy the situation.
Unless the snake doesn't have room to maneuver around, it will quickly correct a bad constrict. They are constrictors, it's what they do.
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06-22-2008, 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by FunkyRes
Same thing I did when one of my kings clamped down hard on the head of the other during breeding.
Interfere and remedy the situation.
Unless the snake doesn't have room to maneuver around, it will quickly correct a bad constrict. They are constrictors, it's what they do.
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Perhaps I'm not making myself or my question clear to the live feeders.....Interfere and remedy isn't a proper answer..... Like I said 'the mouse turns to bite your snakes head' exactly how do you stop the bite from occurring. I'm interested to know how you are faster than a split second.
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06-22-2008, 06:56 AM
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You can't stop it from it occurring. Such an action from the mouse will result in tighter constriction from the snake until the mouse loses consciousness. I've kept snakes for years, and for years, I used nothing but live. Now I do use primarily f/t but the primary reason is economics, f/t are cheaper. Why was it never a problem for me? Because snakes that are hungry are very good at killing their prey, thousands of years of natural selection has resulted in an excellent rodent killer.
The problems that happen are almost exclusively the result of a snake that is not hungry. Remove the mouse and wait a week, and see if it is hungry then.
After switching to f/t exclusively for anything that takes f/t - I switched back to partial live for breeding females that take them. I bet most of the people in this thread, if not all of them, who so religiously argue against live feeders have not used live food to any extent and to be blundt, don't really know what they are talking about.
Show me a chewed up snake and I'll show you a snake that wasn't hungry and left unattended with its prey.
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06-22-2008, 07:00 AM
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I also bet that a lot of very experienced "big name" herpers make use of live who just don't speak up about it because they've rather not be told that they are bad people for doing so.
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06-22-2008, 07:18 AM
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I'm an old hand at snakes.....I also fed live for years...I also had a snake not strike square on to a mouse, and the mouse tried to reach around to bite the snake. Lucky for the snake the mouse could not quite reach and the snake killed it.....A friend of mine wasn't so lucky (or his snake wasn't) the same thing happened to his snake but the mouse made contact and bit through the base of his snakes head and killed it. It bit right into it's brain.....I don't mention this much as it upset me no end, and I realised how luck I had been. That was nearly 30yrs ago when F/T were not as available in the UK. I started to prekill or at least stun my mice rats and rabbits after that.......
Back to my original question, how will you stop that from happening, I know you have a procedure as you have already mentioned the king snakes....So elaborate and educate me..... I'm not here to put you on the spot, I am genuinely interested. After all I don't believe everyone knows everything about snakes not even Kathy Love, Roy Munson none of them, they might know a lot more than me and most of the members here but I think we can all learn something new every day and I like to discuss any new ideas.... Check the threads and you will find I'm the one who stuck up for eggs as food, cohab gravid females, and snakes in bags.......I'm not saying any of them were right but I am willing to listen to there logic. So now a difinitive answer from you or anyone who feeds live....How do you stop the bite in time to stop it hurting the snake.....
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