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There is a guy on Kingsnake trying to sell a snow stripe as a Tessera, Looks as though he is trying to sell another stripe as a Tessera too.. Though I don't know that ones morph, it looks like a copper color.
 
Hmm. Had a look, but to me they do look like the patterns on the Tesseras shown on p72 of the latest Cornsnake Morph Guide. The Aztec-y pattern's appearance on the sides isn't a usual thing in Stripes, which tend to have solid colour there.

Second one looks Caramel, although lack of a morph name usually indicates that the seller thinks it's a Normal.
 
Yeah, I went to their website and all they sell on it is ball pythons, so his knowledge about corn snakes may not be up to par, I know mine isn't, but I'm just starting in the hobby... He may have gotten them in a trade... I need that new guide...lol
 
They both look like Tesseras to me. What about then doesn't look tessera to you?
 
More likely then not he got them in trade with someone working with them. They look like Tessera's to me, but I've only seen what few pics KJ L. and some other folks have posted...

They both look pretty sweet :*)
 
I didn't even notice the aztec designs on the sides... Thanks for pointing that out... they looked just like stripes to me... Maybe because the only ones I have ever seen were normal colors...
 
After seeing/holding/drooling over the tessaras Camby had for sale, those look like the real deal. I had not clue they came in snow form. The price makes me a little leery. If it seems to good to be true there might be a reason why.
 
I have seen a picture of a hybrid with a tessera-style pattern. Makes me go "hmmmmn" at these guys. This is, after all, a pattern seen in many kinds of snakes. I'm terribly suspicious by the fact that they are so cheap.
 
Pricing was a concern for me as well, not to mention, some one correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Tessera's new enough that there should not be other color morphs yet?
 
Asbit said:
Pricing was a concern for me as well, not to mention, some one correct me if I am wrong, but aren't Tessera's new enough that there should not be other color morphs yet?
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If there were, they'd really only be coming from Don S and his friend who discovered this trait, not a no-name in KY. The pricing and the fact that he's apparently letting the very first snow tessera (which should be at least a year away from realization, if you were lucky with your hets) go for around $500 while normal tesseras still fly for upwards of $1000 at SMR makes me EXTREMELY cautious.
 
Funny.... I was just looking at Kingsnakes.com and saw that ad.. I went directly to sending the link to the people that are working with the morph.. Seemed very odd to me...
 
Teddy Roosevelt said:
If there were, they'd really only be coming from Don S and his friend who discovered this trait, not a no-name in KY. The pricing and the fact that he's apparently letting the very first snow tessera (which should be at least a year away from realization, if you were lucky with your hets) go for around $500 while normal tesseras still fly for upwards of $1000 at SMR makes me EXTREMELY cautious.
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While I think the price is a bit iffy, I don't think it's surprising to see morphed Tesseras already. I remembered seeing a post by somebody in KJ's Tessera thread, and went looking for it. Apparently somebody in Kentucky has already produced Corns that look very similar to Tesseras, and they are in Amel, Anery, and Snow form. (Link) I will say that the Amel looks like a Tessera to me, while the Anery and Snow have broken stripes, which makes me wonder if it's not a Motley/Stripe Corn rather than a Tessera. However, the side patterns make me think they are Tessera, so it very well could be. I don't know if these are from the same breeder who has the ads posted on KS. It could be the same person. :shrugs:
 
Quotes from Cornsnake Morph Guide p72, in the hope that this might clarify:

Tessera is a pattern modifying gene which is not recessive to wild type. Preliminary results suggest it is probably dominant.

The advantage of dominant and codominant genes is that they can be propagated more quickly into visible morphs, and the difficulties in dealing with and testing out possible hets do not exist because heterozygotes express the mutant gene.
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The mixing of this gene with others will be accelerated by the fact that a snake only nees to be heterozygous to express it. When crossing het parents, 3/4 of the offspring will be Tesseras instead of the usual 1/4 that occurs with recessive genes.
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So basically, if someone has had suspected Tesseras in their breeding regime for three years, or has realised they already have it in existing stock, then it's perfectly possible for it to be appearing in colour morphs at this point.

Tessera is never likely to be a major money-spinner, as it's so easy and quick to reproduce (as explained above). That might explain the price. You won't pay top dollar for a new morph, that will basically be everywhere by the time your animals get to breeding age.
 
I expect that they are from other breeder to whom the link leads to that thread about.

Not proven to be tesseras yet as far as I am aware, although they look similar. However the patterns on those from the other breeder are MUCH more broken up than any that I have seen from Don/KJ/Graham. The normal version doesn't look anything like any of the hatchling tesseras from Don/KJ/Graham colourwise either. (might just be the picture though)

I'm not convinced that they should be being sold as Tesseras yet when as to my knowledge they haven't been compared in flesh nevermind any test breedings.
 
bitsy said:
Tessera is never likely to be a major money-spinner, as it's so easy and quick to reproduce (as explained above). That might explain the price. You won't pay top dollar for a new morph, that will basically be everywhere by the time your animals get to breeding age.
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B-I-N-G-O :rolleyes:

Walter,
:crazy02:BOUT' CORNS !!
 
I thought the big deal about Tesseras was they retained a black stripe unlike "normal stripes" that lost theres? Where is the Caramels black stripe?
 
abell82 said:
I thought the big deal about Tesseras was they retained a black stripe unlike "normal stripes" that lost theres? Where is the Caramels black stripe?
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That's what I heard too, which is why I wanted to get everyones opinion on them.
 
I saw these aswell and belive there the real deal. But the low price nsde me question either way I don't see them on kingsnake now
 
They are on kingsnake again now... He changed the spelling on the name, they are now spelled correctly.. He said that they produced them themselves..
 
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