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2013 Caramel Motley ("Hawthorne") Progression Thread
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NiklasTyreso
New member
Very nice motley pattern!
Hello, y'all. 
Thanks for all the kind comments on my last set of pics. No great pictures of Hawthorne today, just an update that he's finally been upgraded from a 5.5 gallon to a 30 gallon (big jump!). He's about two feet long now, so it was kind of overdue. It looks so bare, though!
As I said, no good pictures today, but here's one of my Instagram pictures from a few days ago giving me his hungry face. (This is the lower hole in the middle rock in the above picture of his setup.)
Thanks for all the kind comments on my last set of pics. No great pictures of Hawthorne today, just an update that he's finally been upgraded from a 5.5 gallon to a 30 gallon (big jump!). He's about two feet long now, so it was kind of overdue. It looks so bare, though!
As I said, no good pictures today, but here's one of my Instagram pictures from a few days ago giving me his hungry face. (This is the lower hole in the middle rock in the above picture of his setup.)
Jessicat
All Pied Everything
WOW he's turned out SUPER pretty. I LOVE this color in snake.
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but he looks like a Normal Motley het Caramel to me. Het Caramels definitely bring out some awesome Caramel esque colors, but he just has way too much red to be a Caramel.
Here are a few examples.
Normal Motley het Caramel
Caramel Motley
Caramel Motley Eye
I do apologize if I'm wrong, your snake just really strikes me as a Normal Motley with the Caramel gene hidden in there. Also that's one of my favorite looks for a snake!! He's looking AMAZING in that last set. I might even like that look better than Caramel Motley. Thanks for sharing the photos. They are great shots!
Hate to burst anyone's bubble, but he looks like a Normal Motley het Caramel to me. Het Caramels definitely bring out some awesome Caramel esque colors, but he just has way too much red to be a Caramel.
Here are a few examples.
Normal Motley het Caramel
Caramel Motley
Caramel Motley Eye
I do apologize if I'm wrong, your snake just really strikes me as a Normal Motley with the Caramel gene hidden in there. Also that's one of my favorite looks for a snake!! He's looking AMAZING in that last set. I might even like that look better than Caramel Motley. Thanks for sharing the photos. They are great shots!
Crazy Colubrids
So Addicted
I would have to agree that it looks like a Normal Motley most likely het Caramel. He is quite a stunning snake though.
Here is a pic of my female Normal Motley het Caramel. Can't notice the "het Caramel" like you can in your guy.
Here is my Male Caramel Motley.
Here is a pic of my female Normal Motley het Caramel. Can't notice the "het Caramel" like you can in your guy.
Here is my Male Caramel Motley.
Jessicat
All Pied Everything
Nice! Yes, if that's a sibling your snake is definitely het Caramel. Het Caramels seem to have a Cretan look to them. ..a really nice one!!
That first picture does look more convincingly Caramel. The thing is snakes change A LOT in their first few years of life. If a shed later or so he started getting reds/ a red tint that is pretty normal in the corn snake world. I've definitely observed a few hatchling threads where the breeder thought they had something crazy and then... first shed reveals it's a different morph.
Like I said before though.. amazingly beautiful snake!! :cheers:
That first picture does look more convincingly Caramel. The thing is snakes change A LOT in their first few years of life. If a shed later or so he started getting reds/ a red tint that is pretty normal in the corn snake world. I've definitely observed a few hatchling threads where the breeder thought they had something crazy and then... first shed reveals it's a different morph.
Like I said before though.. amazingly beautiful snake!! :cheers:
NiklasTyreso
New member
The amel in the last pic is hard to tell if it is just amel or if it is butter (amel+caramel). It depends on how it developed red or yellow later.
The amel have rather orange blotches, not the brown blotches that butters use to have.
Here is a vid of a butter hatchling eating a pinkie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkkKlUZN3f0
Her is a pic of how butter hatchlings use to look (as I do think some "butter" hatchlings at Ians Viv is just amels to). This is how butter hatchlings use to look: http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/foru...128-corn-hatchlings-sale-county-durham-2.html
http://www.reptilesbymack.com/images/products/detail/CornSnakeButterJuvenile.jpg
http://www.reptilianprojects.com/images/CornButter_Male.jpg
The amel have rather orange blotches, not the brown blotches that butters use to have.
Here is a vid of a butter hatchling eating a pinkie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkkKlUZN3f0
Her is a pic of how butter hatchlings use to look (as I do think some "butter" hatchlings at Ians Viv is just amels to). This is how butter hatchlings use to look: http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/foru...128-corn-hatchlings-sale-county-durham-2.html
http://www.reptilesbymack.com/images/products/detail/CornSnakeButterJuvenile.jpg
http://www.reptilianprojects.com/images/CornButter_Male.jpg