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A few new dinker geckos (DUW)

Carinata

Carinata

Ever Evolving Exotics
I picked these guys up from work, Saturday. Just some interesting geckos for next season.

1. This super light gecko is pretty interesting looking. I see a lot of light colored geckos but none this light. I am calling it a "Light Morph" for now. But we will see what he throws next season.

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2&3. The next 2 geckos are a 1.1 "Saddlebacks". Saddleback is a term coined by a friend of mine and it just took with my collection. Some Saddlebacks are het Patternless and that's what I'm hoping for! There is also a slim chance they could be low level stingers or zeros

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Female

4. This gal is the most exciting! She LOOKS like an Anery or Axanthic. We will see next year what she throws in breeding.
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No offense meant but I wanted to know why it is like every AFT I've seen you post pictures of you consider some kind of morph, they all look like normals to me except maybe the one you think maybe a Axanthic/Anery.

Granted I only have one AFT and haven't ever seen any others in person so I'm just curious.
 
Because the market is new. Saddlebacks have a huge potential to be either het patternless or a zero/stinger (co-dom trait). These geckos are mostly animals that I hand picked through hundreds of normals. Look at the Sable ball python? Or the Yellow Belly. These are dinkers, or project. No offense but you obviously haven't seen a new market. The possibilities are endless. These animals are basically like the ball pythons of geckos. Leos were like the corns or the geckos. People still keep them but they really don't fetch a whole lot of money. These are like ball pythons by the fact that they hold value. There's lots of other reasons but I won't get into it unless you want me to.
 
I was sort of thinking the same thing, Iguanagirl. I've seen these guys in real life and have very limited experience with them, though, so I could be totally wrong.

But from what I see are some normals. It's kind of like the amount of variation in normal corn snakes. Some are lighter, some are darker, and some even have a bit of a metallic shine to them but they're still just normals. You have to look at them and take into consideration the natural variation between normals that any species has. But like I said I'm not too savvy on them so I can't really know for sure what morph they are.
 
I see literally hundreds of these things come in. Hundreds, and hundreds of them. The ones I pick are dinkers or projects. I hand pick them, give them some time to de-stress and attain a natural color then decide if they get to go to the great reptile room. There is variation, but when that variation passes variation and crosses into something else, thats when they go home. Look at my site. Peach Pastel project, there are plenty of light geckos none that light. He got the ticket.
 
Carinata said:
Because the market is new. Saddlebacks have a huge potential to be either het patternless or a zero/stinger (co-dom trait). These geckos are mostly animals that I hand picked through hundreds of normals. Look at the Sable ball python? Or the Yellow Belly. These are dinkers, or project. No offense but you obviously haven't seen a new market. The possibilities are endless. These animals are basically like the ball pythons of geckos. Leos were like the corns or the geckos. People still keep them but they really don't fetch a whole lot of money. These are like ball pythons by the fact that they hold value. There's lots of other reasons but I won't get into it unless you want me to.
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I understand that they may hold potential genes that may be prove to be genetic but it seems you automatically jump to that it is genetic. Until it's proven it's just a normal. I didn't mean they aren't nice and that they wouldn't make a good project or that they weren't going to have any genetic traits. I was just asking why you think that they are going to be a genetic trait because they look like normals to me.

VickyChaiTea said:
I was sort of thinking the same thing, Iguanagirl. I've seen these guys in real life and have very limited experience with them, though, so I could be totally wrong.

But from what I see are some normals. It's kind of like the amount of variation in normal corn snakes. Some are lighter, some are darker, and some even have a bit of a metallic shine to them but they're still just normals. You have to look at them and take into consideration the natural variation between normals that any species has. But like I said I'm not too savvy on them so I can't really know for sure what morph they are.
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That's basically how I see it and even if the are normals it doesn't mean they don't have any hets or anything. Like I said I meant no offense I was just curious as to what makes them so different to you.
 
Well basically, they look neat. I have the space to prove out the traits. Yes until proven they are normals unless without a doubt they are genetic (IE Albino, Axanthic, Patternless). These are project or dinker animals; I label them as such to give them some appeal to the public eye.
 
Carinata said:
These are project or dinker animals; I label them as such to give them some appeal to the public eye.
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I don't wish to get drawn in to another debate here, but in case you have not noticed, we here are not exactly "public." The tact you are describing has been seen by all of us in pet shops around the country-- calling normal corns by different, more interesting sounding names to ratchet the price up...

The problem is that everyone here has seen that a hundred times and, "new market" or no, we know and read enough to see through things like that.

So when you post here, you're not posting in normal "public" and few, if any, people will be impressed by morphs being called out before they are proven. Take a leaf from Rich Z and others who have discovered enough corn morphs to have them named for them... they don't call it til it's proven.

I think it's okay to say "This one is interesting because it's so light, and I hope that I can prove that genetic."

But to be making up names for what could easily prove to be just a simple individual color difference that's not inheritable is a little bit premature and makes you look a bit arrogant.
 
I am a member there, Eric, but I can't be a big time member there as I would miss you too much LOL! Lauren, I'm not trying to rachet up the price as I am only releasing a very few this season to friends or those seriously interested in a project animal. That's why it says a few new dinkers not morphs. BTW Fat-tail morphs aren't cheap look at the prices! I am pinching my pennies for a whiteout male!
 
Carinata said:
Lauren, I'm not trying to rachet up the price as I am only releasing a very few this season to friends or those seriously interested in a project animal.
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I apologize then... your statement below led me to the wrong conclusion.

Carinata said:
...I label them as such to give them some appeal to the public eye.
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I've looked at prices-- as I said, Tara and I enjoy the look of them, much as we do our leopard geckos. But space for long vivs with heat is at a premium here until we get our final rack for the corn yearlings and juvies, so we've got to wait on them.
 
Hypancistrus said:
I apologize then... your statement below led me to the wrong conclusion.



I've looked at prices-- as I said, Tara and I enjoy the look of them, much as we do our leopard geckos. But space for long vivs with heat is at a premium here until we get our final rack for the corn yearlings and juvies, so we've got to wait on them.
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They don't demand a whole lot of space. My adults thrive in 6qt boxes. I had them in tanks for a while and you would never see them. They would wait for crickets to wander into the hide and they would occasionally come out for a drink. I provided a water dish with daily misting.
 
The ones in PetCo always look very well taken care of (clean cage and food and water) and happy. But what do I know about gecko 'happiness'?
They use those fake stone walls that go up against the glass, so that even when they (the geckos) think they are "hiding", they are actually exposed to whoever is looking at the viv.
 
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