Snakes Incorporated
Unusual but effective
To say that marijuana should stay illegal because it could be potentially bad for one’s health is a little silly to say. Me thinks:duck:
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Aaron, The "Pot smoking, sinner."
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tsst
Deuce is watching!
Most of the folks in DC cause heart attacks, stress, depression, anxiety, suicide, murder, kidnapping, bankruptcy, domestic violence, theft, corruption, fraud, hatred, ulcers, colitis, etc, etc, etc. And about any other ailment that exists. They should be banned in the USA. :shrugs: :grin01:
rexracer
Addict in the making
Banning politicians...I like it!:cheers:
kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
"Most of the folks in DC cause heart attacks, stress, depression, anxiety, suicide, murder, kidnapping, bankruptcy, domestic violence, theft, corruption, fraud, hatred, ulcers, colitis, etc, etc, etc. And about any other ailment that exists. They should be banned in the USA."
That is the best idea I have heard in a long time!! (If not banned, at least SEVERELY curtailed!)
That is the best idea I have heard in a long time!! (If not banned, at least SEVERELY curtailed!)
Karoni
Cornaholic
Outcast, I just want to say that I am sorry you have had this experience. Christians should be the most forgiving of all people because we are so very aware of how much we have been forgiven. And, while it's true that in any church you will find the judgmental and the extreme, you will also find many more people who are loving, authentic and kind.
I do not want to be the kind of person who calls people names just because I disagree with them (however vehemently) or think that what they are doing is morally wrong. I may not agree with their behavior, but that doesn't change the fact that God loves them and I should try my best to do so as well. Just my two cents....
I find this thread refreshing because there is an honest exchange of views without the pressure to agree with one another. In my experience, political correctness has completely done away with any honest debate. Yay for this forum!
Outcast
ATPSS
Oh yes, I know there are always those few who are judgmental. I do not think they actually understand what it means to be Christ like. Unfortunately I tend to get on the bad side of those people in almost every church I go to...lol... I have a habit of playing devils advocate a lot during Sunday school, and word gets around. I just like to make people think about what they are saying.
rexracer
Addict in the making
Good for you! I believe that mindlessly following, in almost all circumstances, will never lead anywhere good. Being able to question, and find your own truth, is one of the many things that makes this country great.
Outcast
ATPSS
Yeah, many people that I have gone to church with thought I was weird for having my own set of beliefs instead of following what the Pastor said. God gave me the ability to reason and read for a reason, to find things out on my own. The pastor is supposed to guide me in a direction, I am supposed to get the answers myself.
Tavia
Elemental Exotics
And if you read Acts 17:11, it was holding up the people of Beroea as a good example, because they were testing what they were hearing, rather than blindly believing.
VickyChaiTea
Snake enthusiast
Leew, you're not taking into consideration the amount of danger, or how dangerous it is. I already said if it's unnecessary but only a little dangerous, then it's fine. Where we draw the line is, obviously, subject to debate. I have snakes and birds (3 birds, actually) and have had no health conditions related to them. I can only imagine that hypersensitivity pneumonitis is highly uncommon seeing as how I am on a member of a bird forum with HUNDREDS of members and none are complaining about that.
Starsevol, I'm not sure if eating it in it's raw form is safe or not, but I do know that it comes in a capsule form that is the best way to ingest it for medical purposes. That way you aren't at risk of lung damage from any smoke. You don't HAVE to smoke it.
Snakes Incorporated, cigarettes and alcohol are pretty much worse than pot, yeah. Not denying that. *shrugs* I already said I want ALL of them gone. And about aspertame, I think the debate is still out on that one. If there was SOLID proof that it was causing a SERIOUS amount of illness in people... not just people who actually have Lupus and just HAPPEN to drink diet soda every once in a while... then I can't see why NOT to ban it.
Starsevol, I'm not sure if eating it in it's raw form is safe or not, but I do know that it comes in a capsule form that is the best way to ingest it for medical purposes. That way you aren't at risk of lung damage from any smoke. You don't HAVE to smoke it.
Snakes Incorporated, cigarettes and alcohol are pretty much worse than pot, yeah. Not denying that. *shrugs* I already said I want ALL of them gone. And about aspertame, I think the debate is still out on that one. If there was SOLID proof that it was causing a SERIOUS amount of illness in people... not just people who actually have Lupus and just HAPPEN to drink diet soda every once in a while... then I can't see why NOT to ban it.
Leew
New member
Vicky, we all have opinions and we all have our own ideas about what is right and wrong. Most of us weigh the benefits of the things we do against the possible harm they may cause and then decide weather the risk out weighs the benefit. That is a good thing. What you are proposing is to take that decision out of peoples hands and force them to abide by your rules, your ideas of what is right and wrong. That is not a good thing. I am very glad that you are A) in the minority, and B) not in a position of power.
wax32
ALL YOUR BASE
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Reptilekyle64
New member
Haha this thread is awsome
VickyChaiTea
Snake enthusiast
"What you are proposing is to take that decision out of peoples hands and force them to abide by your rules, your ideas of what is right and wrong. " Not exactly. To you, maybe. Keep in mind murder is illegal because someone thinks it's "wrong". And since it's illegal you are forced to abide by the governments rules. There are laws against victimless crimes. (streaking, etc.) So even if this WAS victimless (which it is not, the smoker suffers) then it would be nothing new.
KingCrimson<3
Crackberry Junkie
RAWR!!!
Reading this thread has me so hyped, and I wanted to read all the way through, but I definitely skimmed some things.
VickyChaiTea, I understand your impulse. You want people to be safe, to save them from themselves. You want to eliminate unnecessary dangers. But you know what is unnecessary and dangerous? Human life. We are destroying our home, straining and polluting the earth, and yet, because we are selfish creatures with a God complex, we continue to put ridiculously high values on human life.
When an animal attacks or kills a human, we usually destroy it. When a human attacks and kills a human, they hardly ever get the death penalty. Humans are dangerous, our technology (cars, televisions, computers, airplanes, microwaves etc) is dangerous and unnecessary. Every breath we take is full of minute particles of dust and mold and pollen and other things that just might come in contact with a cell and cause it to mutate, and our bodies just might not catch that mutation in time, and voila, cancer.
Should we ban recreational and professional sports?
Athletes do enormous amounts of damage to their bodies, they tear ligaments, pull muscles and break bones, but we don't try to outlaw baseball or tennis. I ride horses, a practice with a much higher combined associated risk than riding a motorcycle or smoking cigarettes. I have had a multitude of injuries, and I recognize the risk, but ask me if I would give it up and the answer is always going to be NO WAY.
In all your t.v. watching, have you ever watched an action scene, the kind where a real person actually jumped out of a speeding car or tumbled off a building, the kind of scene that was too dangerous for the actual actor to do it. Those stunt guys take more trips to the hospital shooting one movie than most people do in their entire life. But it is their livelyhood, and I don't think they'd appreciate you saying that it's "too dangerous."
I'm a libertarian, I think people should be allowed to do what they want. We have created this infantalized culture, prolonged childhood, and basically allowed people to think that others are going to protect them from themselves. There is always someone else to blame, but in reality you cannot remove risk, and you cannot and should not try to remove personal responsibility. People need to be held accountable for their actions. Cigarette cartons have warnings, they have become very explicit: Smoking Kills. You can't pretend you didn't know.
And I think that is the point of all this, benefits and risks aside, the people here want their freedom and they really really don't want The Man trying to save them. I agree.
I am going to smoke and drink and run and ride horses until the day I die. I am going to take risks and cheat death, because...why not? Outlaw something I love, and I will find a way around it, because I want to, because I can. And I won't be alone.
I love the person I am, and I don't have a death wish per se, but life is short and you really can't take it seriously, after all, no one gets out alive.
Reading this thread has me so hyped, and I wanted to read all the way through, but I definitely skimmed some things.
VickyChaiTea, I understand your impulse. You want people to be safe, to save them from themselves. You want to eliminate unnecessary dangers. But you know what is unnecessary and dangerous? Human life. We are destroying our home, straining and polluting the earth, and yet, because we are selfish creatures with a God complex, we continue to put ridiculously high values on human life.
When an animal attacks or kills a human, we usually destroy it. When a human attacks and kills a human, they hardly ever get the death penalty. Humans are dangerous, our technology (cars, televisions, computers, airplanes, microwaves etc) is dangerous and unnecessary. Every breath we take is full of minute particles of dust and mold and pollen and other things that just might come in contact with a cell and cause it to mutate, and our bodies just might not catch that mutation in time, and voila, cancer.
Should we ban recreational and professional sports?
Athletes do enormous amounts of damage to their bodies, they tear ligaments, pull muscles and break bones, but we don't try to outlaw baseball or tennis. I ride horses, a practice with a much higher combined associated risk than riding a motorcycle or smoking cigarettes. I have had a multitude of injuries, and I recognize the risk, but ask me if I would give it up and the answer is always going to be NO WAY.
In all your t.v. watching, have you ever watched an action scene, the kind where a real person actually jumped out of a speeding car or tumbled off a building, the kind of scene that was too dangerous for the actual actor to do it. Those stunt guys take more trips to the hospital shooting one movie than most people do in their entire life. But it is their livelyhood, and I don't think they'd appreciate you saying that it's "too dangerous."
I'm a libertarian, I think people should be allowed to do what they want. We have created this infantalized culture, prolonged childhood, and basically allowed people to think that others are going to protect them from themselves. There is always someone else to blame, but in reality you cannot remove risk, and you cannot and should not try to remove personal responsibility. People need to be held accountable for their actions. Cigarette cartons have warnings, they have become very explicit: Smoking Kills. You can't pretend you didn't know.
And I think that is the point of all this, benefits and risks aside, the people here want their freedom and they really really don't want The Man trying to save them. I agree.
I am going to smoke and drink and run and ride horses until the day I die. I am going to take risks and cheat death, because...why not? Outlaw something I love, and I will find a way around it, because I want to, because I can. And I won't be alone.
I love the person I am, and I don't have a death wish per se, but life is short and you really can't take it seriously, after all, no one gets out alive.
KingCrimson<3
Crackberry Junkie
Also, I want to make sure you understand the distinction between recreational use and abuse. Recreational means occasional, for pleasure. Abuse tends to mean prolonged use that impinges on other responsibilities and aspects of life.
I am a recreational drinker/drug user. I have fun sometimes, 98% of the time, I am sober.
I am a recreational drinker/drug user. I have fun sometimes, 98% of the time, I am sober.
VickyChaiTea
Snake enthusiast
Once again, it's about the amount of danger involved. Sports, even extreme ones, aren't as far as I can tell dangerous enough to be outlawed really.
And besides the physically negative effects, people tend to use substances like cigarettes, alcohol, pot, and other drugs as an emotional crutch or unhealthy form of stress relief. They avoid problems by becoming high or drunk, they don't deal with them in healthy productive ways. (This is a generalization, I am well aware that there are many people who do NOT smoke pot as an emotional crutch.)
And yes, man is dangerous. And technically unnecessary. If we weren't here there wouldn't be any unnatural problems etc. But if we ARE here and we put our minds and bodies to work for a greater good we can be better for this world than anything else in the universe. I am not only for the ilegalization of substances that hurt us or kill us unnecessarily, I am also very concerned with the Earth and preserving it. I think recycling, using re-usable water bottles, recycled materials, driving as little as possible, and reducing the amount of livestock and feeder animals along with reducing the human population via education about contraceptives and pledging to not have sex until marriage/adopting rather than getting pregnant.
And besides the physically negative effects, people tend to use substances like cigarettes, alcohol, pot, and other drugs as an emotional crutch or unhealthy form of stress relief. They avoid problems by becoming high or drunk, they don't deal with them in healthy productive ways. (This is a generalization, I am well aware that there are many people who do NOT smoke pot as an emotional crutch.)
And yes, man is dangerous. And technically unnecessary. If we weren't here there wouldn't be any unnatural problems etc. But if we ARE here and we put our minds and bodies to work for a greater good we can be better for this world than anything else in the universe. I am not only for the ilegalization of substances that hurt us or kill us unnecessarily, I am also very concerned with the Earth and preserving it. I think recycling, using re-usable water bottles, recycled materials, driving as little as possible, and reducing the amount of livestock and feeder animals along with reducing the human population via education about contraceptives and pledging to not have sex until marriage/adopting rather than getting pregnant.