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Aaron, The "Pot smoking, sinner."

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I am currently being told that I am a pot smoking sinner, by people who should know better, all because I said that marijuana should be legalized with a 23-25 year old limit on the ability to purchase, and that it should be taxed just like, if not more than, cigarettes and alcohol.

Oh, and because I could not afford to travel to the town I am registered to vote in, due to money issues and the fact that we recently moved and I have not had time to get registered out here, I have no right to an opinion...

These are people I used to go to church with back when I lived with my parents in Louisiana... I now see why people stay away from churches. It is horrible for me to say that, but geeze, I do not like the hostility that I got from people who are supposedly my friends or long time friends of my family.

Oh, and when I presented some facts as to why marijuana was outlawed in the first place, I got told all of the above stuff...

You know, at first I was angry that they were calling me all of this stuff, but now, I really think it is funny. I wonder how they would react about my thoughts on "Gay Unions". They would probably tell me that there is a special place in hell for me....lol
 
I am an avid church goer but I would tell someone Hey drop the join t or you'll burn forever!!! I would rather hang out with someone who puffs the magic dragon than a bad drinker.
 
I used to be a bad drinker, and I can say I would rather hang out with someone who has marijuana that who I used to be.
 
I have to say, as a religious person, that I have thought on occasion that it should be legalized as well. I don't know enough about it & all the effects it has on people to have a firm opinion. But I do know there are quite a few medical uses for it & that in some cases it may be better than the Rx drugs. And, you know, God made marijuana the same way he made alcohol, which is only bad depending on the use it is put to.
 
God made marijuana; man made beer.
And God gave me a snake that loves to entertain me when I am "relaxin". Hooray weed, hooray corn snakes!
 
I just find it kind of sad that there are people who need to drink, smoke, whatever in order to enjoy life. I used to do drink (still have a glass or two, but never enough to get drunk anymore) and smoked weed a few times, but found out early that I had a much better time when I was straight.
 
Aaron, that is odd here in 2010.

In the summer of 1981, 29+ years ago, I wrote a structurally perfect 3-page essay on "why marijuana should be legalized". And by my prospective college english/literature professors...it was judged to be worthy of testing me out of one year of freshman english.
It was sterile...devoid...of moral-ethical implications. Many many people will go to their graves...never having been able to subtract their own skewed (taught/learned) moral-ethical values from issue(s) and look at something objectively.

My mother has told me since I was a pre-teen, 'Son...sometimes you have to be patient...and let people catch up. They don't all think as fast as you. Nor to them does the obvious appear so clear."
My mother was and is a very wise woman. Certainly wiser than I am smart OR a fast thinker.
I use her advice here in a global socio-cultural context. And it works beautifully.
 
hetfeildfan said:
God made marijuana; man made beer.
And God gave me a snake that loves to entertain me when I am "relaxin". Hooray weed, hooray corn snakes!
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ROFLMFAO, i laughed so hard when i read that cause i thought of a high person saying it HAHAHA

Susan said:
I just find it kind of sad that there are people who need to drink, smoke, whatever in order to enjoy life. I used to do drink (still have a glass or two, but never enough to get drunk anymore) and smoked weed a few times, but found out early that I had a much better time when I was straight.
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Same as me, sounds weird coming from a 19 year old lol, but i only tried it a couple times quite a few years ago... just not for me
 
vetusvates said:
My mother has told me since I was a pre-teen, 'Son...sometimes you have to be patient...and let people catch up. They don't all think as fast as you. Nor to them does the obvious appear so clear."
My mother was and is a very wise woman. Certainly wiser than I am smart OR a fast thinker.
I use her advice here in a global socio-cultural context. And it works beautifully.
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My father used to say somewhat similar things to me when I was younger.
 
I, personally, would like to see cigarettes AND alcohol banned, with the medicinal use of marijuana legalized but recreational kept illegal. I don't like harmful substances, substances that people can kill themselves with if used recreationally, made legal. It just doesn't make any sense. I am a firm believer in the saying "Sometimes people have to be saved from themselves." Which is very slippery territory, I know.

Pot has good medicinal uses, sometimes it's even better than other medicines in certain situations. But it can also cause cancer, become addictive, and impair your judgment and reaction time (critical for driving). And if you wanna argue the whole cancer thing I can provide like ten sources that say it does, and you'll be able to provide just as many saying that it does not. It's a big grey area, but honestly, smoking ANYTHING can cause cancer.

What I dislike is people trying to defend it like it NEVER has ANY negative effects, and say things like "Hey! It's natural so it must be ok." Yeah, so is poison ivy. Go roll around in that some time. lol. (not directing this at anyone on this board, this just happens to be arguments I hear a lot for pot)
 
My feeling, when talking with people who base their objections to MJ on the Bible is that
1) the Bible doesn't speak to the use of recreational substances very much
Noah gets drunk and that's bad
Jesus changes water into wine for a wedding and that's good
And that's about it. Conclusion -- it isn't using them that is bad, it's doing things that God doesn't like (sins) under their influence, so use in moderation while avoiding doing things that are wrong as a result of using shouldn't be a sin.
2) God put THC in the MJ plant and THC receptors in the human brain. Conclusion -- God who did both of those things intended His creation (humans) to enjoy the effects of THC

I am speaking pretty hypothetically as I am not a Christian, and my tradition teaches that these are good things to be used and enjoyed, "an it harm NONE, do what thou wilt." That includes not harming yourself, and using common sense, like not driving while drunk or stoned. So I think MJ should be legal to consume. Fewer people mess themselves up severely with MJ than the numbers of people who ruin their lives with alcohol or ruin their health with tobacco.
 
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VickyChaiTea said:
...I am a firm believer in the saying "Sometimes people have to be saved from themselves." Which is very slippery territory, I know...
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Cigarettes and alcohol should be legal, as should pot... being high while driving should be illegal though..

As for the statement above... (i'm not trying to start anything. Think of me saying this in a calm tone :) lol)
And before i start this, know that i do wear my seat belt every time i get in the vehicle... but that is not the point.
I don't see where our government can make a law like the seat belt law (must have a seat belt on while in a moving vehicle)... If i get in an accident and smash my head on the windshield cause i didn't wear my seat belt, that's my choice and where do they have the right to tell me what i can do to MYSELF... I'm not harming anyone else, although some might say that you become a projectile and danger to others in the car when not buckled... well when i am buckled, during the crash i can easy punch someone in the temple and i could kill them that way... when are they going to make me strap down my hands so i don't hurt anyone?

I'm going to stop now so i don't freak out lol
The government IS a control freak and they need to be stopped somehow, they have crossed their boundaries and are taking too many of our rights away... in some cities you can't even text while walking down the sidewalk... well if i wanna text and not pay attention and walk in front of a moving bus, then i should have the right to do that...

I'm seriously done... sorry for dragging on and getting way WAY :-offtopic lol
 
First medical marijuana is BS. All the drugs in marijuana that do any good are artificially manufactured by drug companies. My source is my wife who is a pharmacist.

Second, I think it should be legalized for several reasons.
1. There is scientific proof that marijuana is not physical addictive - mentally maybe a different story.
2. The War On Drugs is a joke and the money used to stop marijuana could be used to stop the harder stuff.
3. With marijuana legalized and taxed like tobacco and alcohol the money could be used to treat people with serious drug problems.
4. Denmark has shown that with marijuana legalized you have less people who use serious drugs.

Love the Fatman
 
Fatman608 said:
1. There is scientific proof that marijuana is not physical addictive - mentally maybe a different story.
2. The War On Drugs is a joke and the money used to stop marijuana could be used to stop the harder stuff.
3. With marijuana legalized and taxed like tobacco and alcohol the money could be used to treat people with serious drug problems.
4. Denmark has shown that with marijuana legalized you have less people who use serious drugs.

Love the Fatman
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My wife and I were just talking about the same thing, about an hour or so ago. :cheers:
 
Hey Outcast,

Since you brought up "Gay Unions" here is my thoughts on the subject.

Gay Marriage = NO -- Why because marriage is between a man and woman and the government's job is just to make it legal for death and divorce.

Gay Union = YES -- I have no problem with same sex civil unions and the unions should have the same rights as a marriage licence.

Love the Fatman
 
Please do not read into anything that I have typed because I will tell you now that one of my nephews start smoking pot when he was a minor(16) and I caught him and whipped his bottom for it. His father did have some problems with me whipping his son. My nephew is now 18 and does what he whats just not in front of me.

Love the Fatman
 
See, Haarstad, people aren't just hurting themselves if they don't wear a seatbelt. Physically they only hurt themselves, but if they die in the crash then their spouse and children are left mourning. You know? Same goes for alcohol. Yeah, if you drink at home your chances of killing someone go way down, but you can still kill yourself (alcohol poisoning, becoming an alcoholic and dying of liver failure, etc) and I think it goes without saying that a lot of fights are caused by the fact that people are drunk. I personally hate the stuff in all applications but cooking.

I also have to disagree with you and say that the government does not control us too much. I haven't heard of any laws that are unreasonable to me. Most of the time, I don't think they're harsh enough!
 
Hey Fatman, the reason for the push for 'marriage' vs 'union' is that the laws governing inheritance, children, property ownership, etc, that were written to establish 'unions' did NOT provide all the contractual-type protections 'marriage' provides. I think that if 'unions' were as protective in ALL WAYS as 'marriages' and the courts made it clear that legal precedents set by cases involving marriage would be upheld, 'unions' could work as a compromise.

But why do you feel that marriage = 1 man + 1 woman? In the Old Testament marriage = 1 man + 1 or more wifes + 1 or more optional concubines. Just saying.

You're allowed to have a different opinion than me, I am asking a serious question about what underlies your opinion.
 
Hey wstphal,

It does not bother me you asking why. I would have to say my very little religious upbringing and as for 1male + 1 or females I have no problem with that either so long as the family can support all the kids.

I did not know that civil unions were not legally the same as marriages. To me a civil union between two people of the same sex should be the same as a marriage between a man and one or more women.

Love the Fatman

P.S. I have to say that I think a man with more then one wife is a stupid man because I have a hard enough time with just one wife.
 
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