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Amel Lava's freshly shed

dwyn127 said:
From Joe's thread, The History of the Lava gene

The addition of the bluish color of the Lavas is present in the hatchlings, but soon fades.
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That's what I was using as a guide to try to distinguish Lava's from the Hypo Lava's, the blue/grey borders, which disappeared by the second shed... With the Hypo Ice, I kept the "in between" ones, (darker than the Ice, lighter than the Anery's), with blue borders, which ended up turning black... so now I have Ghosts with black borders... So very odd, I get more confused as they progress. I figured the only way I was going to be able to tell is by breeding two known Homo animals and two Het animals in the same year and compare them... Maybe the same goes for Lavamel, since it seems we have missing data, and practically starting over. I think I've read every Lava post by Joe P. at least a dozen times, and saying it's easy to see the differences, (he even said it was easy to pick out het Lava animals), I think you'd actually have to see hundreds upon hundreds... maybe even more... :rolleyes:
 
Beautiful Lava male!

Don't want to hijack the thread but here is the mature Amel Lava...the reds seem more intensified to me than orange.

I find this discussion very interesting and was trying to get feedback on another forum. Two breeders, one in the U.S. and one in Europe who have also worked with possible Amel Lava hatchlings mentioned that they couldn't really tell either which hatchlings were the double homos and which were simply amels...the lavas were easy to pick out of a clutch...it was the combos that presented the difficulties. It especially complicates things when one of the parents is a het.

Anyways, here is what I'm basing my choices for holdbacks on...and it's just pure 'guess' on my part...the intensified reddy oranges of the dam pictured below and the more lighter oranges in the background colour. A guessing game for sure.

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This is a pic of that female pictured above at about 6 months.

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I've only got this pic to go on, so is why I'm choosing hatchlings which are closer to this look...pure speculation on my part that both the amel and lava genes got inherited from the sire.

Now the snows (?)...whole new ball game there...and I'm flying by the seat of my pants. Are they amel aneries or did a few actually get the lava gene passed on as well from dad? Dunno? Sometimes I wish I'd just never opened this pandora's box. :crazy01:

Ruth
 
Nice animal Danny and I am not really into "Amels" myself but your lil one is really nice.

As for Ruth's animal...sweet. I am having time not wanting to check out its belly as well.

This thread is very interesting. Maybe one of you could start a thread on Lavas mixed with the amel gene. That way we could all enjoy seeing the differences they have and how they progress as they age. I would start one in my forum but I dont have a Lava Amel.

Nice thread!! :cheers:
 
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HanneysCorn said:
Beautiful Lava male!

Don't want to hijack the thread but here is the mature Amel Lava...the reds seem more intensified to me than orange.

I find this discussion very interesting
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Not a hijack at all, I love a good discussion and find it interesting as well.

Let's consider other combos, Lava lightens Anery, Lava lightens Lavender, Lava lightens Caramel, Lava lightens Charcoal. I would think it only stands to reason that it would have the same effect on amel as Joe said, reducing the reds to orange, yes? :shrugs:
 
Danny has asked me to chime in so I will. As many of you know, I work with the lava gene and have for some time. :cool:

As far as producing lava amels, good luck. I've hatched out a few "possible" lava amels but I have never been confident enough to label them as such. I have not specifically targeted lava amel in any of my projects as I have never been a fan of hypo amel...whatever hypo that is. (But I must say, sunkissed amels are very nice...but you can tell them from regular amels due to all the little "other" characteristics...but I digress).

I do have a hets for lava, amel, caramel and have breed them a few times. Last year I got a few funky lavas or lava somethings and a few topaz. The odd lavas are here--> http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79201

This year I had a Topaz het amel and bred him to two of my above triple hets. Again, I got topaz, lavas, caramels, and a few funky lavas and a few lava butters...or at least that is what I think they are. The problem: I didn't get any plain jane amels or butters that I could tell. So, maybe my funky lavas or lava butters are actually amels and butters??? I also bred two pairs of the triple hets together and got a mix...amels, lavas, caramels, and other stuff....amels or lava amels?

I've noticed amel based stuff from lava bloodlines (as well as normals for that matter) tend to have a different look whether or not they are homo/het/or nothing. I've hatched out lots of different amels from my lava butter project and they can't all be lavamels....but they all look a little off from normal amels. Many of my normals from lava projects look a little off as well. It also doesn't help that caramel is in the mix with all my lava amel projects so far. Joe P used to think it was partially codom and I'm not sure he was that far off....but that is another can of worms.

For what it is worth, I purchases a "lava amel" off of Michelle a few years back as it was het anery. I also purchased an ice het amel from her as well. There is no doubt the girl is an ice. This next year they should be ready for each other (and he'll also be bred to a an amel) so I'll know if the guy is homozygous lava and homozygous amel and if those work, I'll have a "known and proven" lava amel. Then, we'll be able to dissect the game a little more with a known animal.

I wish I had a clear answer, but for me....if it is in between, I err to the lower morph. I would rather sell someone a lava amel as a pretty amel than a pretty amel as a lava amel. :awcrap:


stephen said:
I plan to breed the male to a female amel of some type.I am wondering how close Lava works like ultramel.The results will be posted next year!
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I'll make it easy on you. Lava is recessive. If your lava is NOT het for amel, then breeding him to an amel will produce normals. Where do you think my normals het for lava, caramel, amel came from? Lava X Butter. :poke:
 
Thanx Jeff!

I wasn't targeting these either, I didn't expect the male to be het amel, but since they've shown up, I'm holding back a pair of the lighter ones and the 1.0 redder one. I'm still betting on the lighter ones to he homo but who knows?? They'll be fun to play with in a few years anyway, Lavender and Stripe are possibly in the mix too.

The two that I did sell are going as a pair. The buyer will be get one of each, a reddish one and an orangy one. And because I can't say for sure I did sell them both as the lesser morph.

Thanx again Jeff for chiming in, much appreciated! :cheers: I look forward to seeing the results from your Amel Lava next year.
 
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