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Animal Cruelty Local Boy Charged.(not for weak at heart)

Preita said:
Actually no. I used to have a huge "enclycopedia" of serial killers (for one of my law/ psychology classes in college) & thats one of the things they had in common. Its actually a common theory.

Either way, a person that does that and has no emotional responce to clipping off an animals teeth & toes needs to seek help. Feeding live is one thing, causing undue pain is another :(
Although I meant my response as a bit of levity, I was actually not aware of the connection between animal/human torture. Thanks for posting those links Connie, twas an eye opener for sure :)
 
After I re-read your post I thought it was meant to be light hearted, but I had already posted :cheers:

:-offtopic
And I never really thought pot lead to herion. Pot leads to triscuts with easy cheese & long naps :grin01:
 
Me again. That story about the cats in the no kill shelter being beaten to death got to me...I just don't get why cats are detested by so many. Even some people that like dogs and other animals just hate cats...Must go back to the middle ages when they burned them at the stake with the witches or something.
I don't care if it's cat, dog, mouse, fish or snake, it's wrong for it to suffer needlessly. I am no Peta activist (and I love a good steak) but the word 'humane' does derive from 'human' and I sometimes wonder how that could be.
Connie finally did post a reason that would justify the declawing ('IMO')- the aids patients that don't want to lose their pet. That I can understand at least.
 
shed'n my skin said:
Me again. That story about the cats in the no kill shelter being beaten to death got to me...I just don't get why cats are detested by so many. Even some people that like dogs and other animals just hate cats...Must go back to the middle ages when they burned them at the stake with the witches or something.

I hate cats because as a child I was attacked by one. I don't trust them, don't want to be in a house with one, and I'd be happy if they all suddenly disappeared from the earth. However, I would NEVER hurt one. I'd just run away lol. :sidestep:

*edit
I was asleep when this particular cat decided to attack me, so it wasn't like I was young and didn't know any better so I yanked on it's tail or something.
After I peeled the cat off of me I ran into a bathroom and slammed the door shut. The cat yowled and put it's legs under the door trying to get me.
Yeah, kinda wish that cat had been de-clawed. :rolleyes:
 
Mary-Beth is KoRny said:
However, I would NEVER hurt one. I'd just run away lol. :sidestep:

I feel the same way about sharks. Don't know why, but I don't go more than knee deep in the ocean.
 
Just wondering how many anti-declaw people have no problem culling off a slightly deformed hatchling because they can't sell it and don't really want to have to take care of another snake? Not trying to start anything new, but it seems a bit hypocritical to me to be screaming about de-clawing being cruel to the cats, but freezing/bopping/gasing (or whatever method) is perfectly ok to a slightly deformed but otherwise healthy hatchling. :shrugs:

As far as declawing, I've had cats all my life, and other than a couple, all were/are declawed and have all lived long, healthy, happy lives. The couple that haven't weren't declawed. One ran away, no clue what ended up happening. Another died young of feline leukemia. Being allowed to run around outdoors is alot more dangerous and unhealthy for a cat than being de-clawed, if you ask me.
 
Preita said:
:-offtopic
And I never really thought pot lead to herion. Pot leads to triscuts with easy cheese & long naps :grin01:
Ruffles Potato Chips on rye bread with Miracle Whip! Yum :grin01:
 
It sounds so gross until you get to that point. I dig those peach tarts by marie calaneders...but oven+ any type of imparedness=burnt tarts :cry:
 
I always thought it led to six straight hours of playing Super Nintendo "Tetris" and watching others play it :)
:-offtopic I am so glad I was able to find a website full of open minded people that are willing to discuss controversial issues instead of just senselessly yelling at one another. :sidestep: Sorry, I just had to vent about those few bad apples.
 
mbdorfer said:
Please tell me you made that up. Sounds like the pot leads to heroin thing I used to hear in high school :sidestep:

Hey,
Don't look at me!.
I did bring up the subject of pot and herion this time.
I don't even know what it looks like!


Pass over the Ruffles will ya! :crazy02:
 
Roy Munson said:
That is a terrible story, but at least he had his snake's welfare in mind. It's completely legal to maim a cat by having it declawed, and this is usually done for the sole purpose of protecting non-living objects (e.g. sofas and table legs). And at least these mice were put out of their misery fairly quickly after the "operation". Can't say the same for all those multiple-amputee declawed cats out there. :(

One of my kitties, one of 4 in total, and one of 2 indoor kitties, Is declawed. Call me cruel, but its only because my dad loves the cat but would kill her if she killed the "new leather"
Our vet explained exactly how it was done, and she was not in pain at ALL and was running around the day we brought her home. Her knuckles WERENT broken, the claws were "lazered" out, or something like that. And it was worth it, shes the best cat we have.

That boy, who "likes to watch animals kill things" Should be put in a ring, with a viscious dog (in a scenario, the dog would be the snake) and he should have his fingers chopped off and his toes and his teeth, no way to defend himself (he would be the "mouse") And like i said, no way to escape, (kind of like the mice put in a box with snakes to eat) And his mom can watch him get mauled to death. *has a CRUEL sense of humor when it comes to people abuseing animals*
 
Duff said:
Just wondering how many anti-declaw people have no problem culling off a slightly deformed hatchling because they can't sell it and don't really want to have to take care of another snake? Not trying to start anything new, but it seems a bit hypocritical to me to be screaming about de-clawing being cruel to the cats, but freezing/bopping/gasing (or whatever method) is perfectly ok to a slightly deformed but otherwise healthy hatchling.

I was wondering when this would be brought up. ;)

I guess I fall into that category, as I willingly cull non-feeding corns but disagree with declawing.

My main beef with declawing is the fact that its altering an animal to suit OUR needs, not the animals. Like people de-beaking poultry to keep them from pecking each other or eating their own eggs. Or clipping the end wing joint off of water birds to keep them from flying off, so they have to swim around their pond all year. Or what I've seen done a couple of times around here is to cut the external portion of the penis off of a male show horse, so it doesn't hang down and detract from the overall appearance of the horse. All things I wish I'd never known that people actually did to animals.

Cats do quite well indoors all their lives with claws. Declawing them as an insurance policy to make sure they never get out just doesn't make sense to me. In most cases it is not necessary nor recommended, even by vets. Like someone else said, I'm not a big fan of docked tails, cut ears, declawing, or any other variety of designer animal.

All of my cats have learned that scratching the couch = face full of water, nothing big or time intensive. Does it stop them all of the time? No, cats are cats. But most of the time they keep it to the scratching post. That coupled with weekly claw trimmings is all that's required usually.

How many people with indoor cats keep jingly collars on their cats? I know how easy it is for mine to get out without their collar on and I never knew! Packing in arm loads of groceries and one runs right out. Hell my dog has even snuck out like that before. I know I'd feel a lot safer if my indoor cat got out and had claws.

As for culling snakes, most people are afraid such deformed snakes will be bred if given away and want to take no chance of a potentially inheritable defect being passed on. There are a lot of people out there who couldn't give a flip about a kink on a snake and just want to breed it for breeding's sake to make money.

I currently own two deformed snakes, a cal king and a hypo corn. Both I gave assurances that they would NEVER be bred. And not to toot my own horn, but I don't think there as many trustworthy people out there like myself. I know I don't trust many people. But I think both people took a big risk letting the snakes go to another person. Luckily, those snakes are owned by me and my word is golden.

I cull ALL non-feeders and most problem feeders. Its such a big unknown to me that I don't want to risk those special needs hatchlings getting out and polluting the gene pool down the line. To me, culling a non-feeding hatchling is a lot more humane than letting it potentially starve to death or creating future problem feeders.

Snake breeders don't have the luxury of being able to sterilize the problem snakes. I mean, if spaying/neutering was as easy and affordable as it is in dogs/cats, there'd be a lot more pet-quality snakes out there. And I know for certain that I'd go that route if I ever had a deformed hatchling to hatch out for me. But until then, the best policy is to euthanize the snake.

Hopefully all of that wasn't a bunch of gobbledeegook.
 
cimckee said:
I always thought it led to six straight hours of playing Super Nintendo "Tetris" and watching others play it :)
:-offtopic I am so glad I was able to find a website full of open minded people that are willing to discuss controversial issues instead of just senselessly yelling at one another. :sidestep: Sorry, I just had to vent about those few bad apples.

My neighbors actually just got busted by the police. I guess our apartments have "special" smoke detectors because an alarm went off at the main office and the police were there as soon as we smelled it.

Thats why you have to go camping lol! nothing like staring at a fire for 2 hours swearing that this log looks "Just like" a puppy.
 
LOL, no but man did I stare it down. I finally had to just go to bed, but I laugh at myself all the time for it. Ah good times! lol

Then I moved to CA and left all my friends behind, most everyone out here my age has kids! :( Chucky Cheese is not that fun.
 
Dunno if I'm one of the 'bad apples' that's 'screaming about declawing' but I have culled a hatchling because it was a non eater and I did not want it to slowly starve and suffer. I did euthanise it as humanely as possible. If it had been kinked but eating I would have kept it as a pet. Though I love the hobby I am not nor do I want to be one of the big time breeders that produces hundreds of snakes and I always seem to find room for one more.
Mary Beth I'm sorry feline Cujo attacked you! They're not all like that.
 
Yeah my cat (Special) Ed is the opposite of Cujo. He's like holding a sack full of jello. You can do positively anything to this cat and he will just purr and flop around like...a sack full of jello.

Just don't tell him the snake will get him or he freaks out. One little tongue flick to the nose and he's scared for life! :grin01:
 
What did the cat look like Mary-beth?
Never mind. I don't want to know! (DON'T say orange tabby~ Buzz has all his shots~ the cops checked!)

Thats another reason Buzz is declawed~ and in indoor only cat. He's just plain mean. We love him~ but he hates everyone but us.

We move pretty often. I always warn the neighbor children that if they see an orange tabby outside to come tell me~ DON'T TOUCH THE CAT! No matter how cute he looks.....even if he rubs against your leg and purrs.......It's a cat trap. The cat BITES. Alot and HARD!!

Last house we lived in~ I saw my nieghbor leaning over my fence with a cat kennel~ so I looked to see what was up. Sure enough~ Buzz was out. OH NO! So~ I went to get him. The nieghbor informed me the COPS were looking for Buzz. Seems that Buzz trapped him (wrapped around his legs....looking cute and purring) while his three year old son (who KNEW) was telling him "Bites! Bites!" he bent down to pet the cat. Pulled back a bloody arm (remember~ this cat IS declawed) So he called the POLICE and told them a RABID cat bit him (a 15 pound, obese cat with about 10 tags hanging on his coller and a BUNCH of bells) This 15 pound, obese, tag and bell ridden STRAY had bit him and he called the POLICE!!!

ON MY CAT!!!

THAT took a long time to explain. And it's a good thing I had proof of his rabies status (and the mans wife reminded him through her overwhelming laughter that their 3 year old had TRIED to warn him) So now I warn the adults in our neighborhood NOT TO TOUCH THE ORANGE TABBY!!
 
JM :o) said:
What did the cat look like Mary-beth?
Never mind. I don't want to know! (DON'T say orange tabby~ Buzz has all his shots~ the cops checked!)

Thats another reason Buzz is declawed~ and in indoor only cat. He's just plain mean. We love him~ but he hates everyone but us.

We move pretty often. I always warn the neighbor children that if they see an orange tabby outside to come tell me~ DON'T TOUCH THE CAT! No matter how cute he looks.....even if he rubs against your leg and purrs.......It's a cat trap. The cat BITES. Alot and HARD!!

Last house we lived in~ I saw my nieghbor leaning over my fence with a cat kennel~ so I looked to see what was up. Sure enough~ Buzz was out. OH NO! So~ I went to get him. The nieghbor informed me the COPS were looking for Buzz. Seems that Buzz trapped him (wrapped around his legs....looking cute and purring) while his three year old son (who KNEW) was telling him "Bites! Bites!" he bent down to pet the cat. Pulled back a bloody arm (remember~ this cat IS declawed) So he called the POLICE and told them a RABID cat bit him (a 15 pound, obese cat with about 10 tags hanging on his coller and a BUNCH of bells) This 15 pound, obese, tag and bell ridden STRAY had bit him and he called the POLICE!!!

ON MY CAT!!!

THAT took a long time to explain. And it's a good thing I had proof of his rabies status (and the mans wife reminded him through her overwhelming laughter that their 3 year old had TRIED to warn him) So now I warn the adults in our neighborhood NOT TO TOUCH THE ORANGE TABBY!!

*shudders*
Now I'm gonna have nightmares. :p

This cat was gray and white, and as far as I know I was the only person it ever attacked. She liked everyone else. :shrugs:
 
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