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Animal Cruelty Local Boy Charged.(not for weak at heart)

Roy Munson said:
Maybe she was sort of a Doggie Howser. :sidestep:

(No offense intended amcgltdchix. :) )
LOL! "Doggie" Howser!!! That's funny!

I didn't mean to offend amcgltdchix, either. I was just curious since she is only 29 and stated she has been a licensed tech for 12 years.
 
CornCrazy said:
So you had your license when you were 17? Or you've been working in a clinic that long? I don't think that it is possible to have a vet tech license at 17. Even if you graduated high school at 17, you'd be at least 19 before getting an associate's degree/vet tech license.

And the correct surgical process was already mentioned previously in the thread. :)


Actually yes, I was licensed at 17. I graduated high school early.
 
Jimmy Johnson said:
I have cats. All indoors and none de-clawed. If you don't want cats to act like cats don't get cats.


I totally agree with the person who wrote the above - i didnt even know vets did this to cats - its appauling, its cruel, claws have lots of different uses, & if an owner is too house proud to let cats claw (as normal cats always do) then maybe they should of thought of that before they got cats ...maybe ???

its not natural and certainly not normal - prehaps for medical reasons as an exception but even this seems harch - SHOCKING.

HOW CAN U CALL YOURSELF ANIMAL LOVERS ???
 
i dont like the idea of declawing cats. my mom had her cats declawed and unfortunately one got out of the house. she also had a collar on. she was fortunately found, but nearly died and lost her rear leg. her collar had somehow got wrapped around her rear leg and had to be amputated. and she was quite beaten up. she was unable to defend herself and didnt have a breakaway collar on (a collar made especially for cats that will break in half when pulled on).
I have 3 cats and they are mostly outdoors....most animal rights people would burn me at the stake for having outdoor cats...but they are all fixed and have their claws and have a HUGE yard and are happy cats. and they come in and out of the house as they want.
 
Sisuitl said:
Brooklyn, the declawed cat, was declawed because his paws are deformed and his claws were growing back into his footpads. He could barely walk before. He is MUCH happier and can walk and run normally now that his claws are gone. My aunt has a big orange tabby that she had declawed. He was born with non-retractable claws.

Those are both good reasons to declaw, IMO, because in those situations you're preventing further problems with a surgery (even though that surgery is painful and risky, like most are) rather than performing a surgery as a "preemptive strike." My parents are having one of their cats declawed on one foot because it's deformed and the claws do not retract properly, so she claws herself when she washes and the claws tend to grow funny and stick into her foot. She also gets stuck on stuff, which is not fun for her and could lead to her getting a claw pulled out anyway.
 
:)

CornCrazy said:
WOW...you graduated when you were 15? You go girl! ;)

Thanks, I was accepted to Cornell Vet School when I graduated tech school because I fill the quota of 25 credits per semester and making the deans list. BUT... I got married instead and moved to DC! There are times I really regret it, but hey, being a tech means I got more leverage.
 
amcgltdchix said:
Thanks, I was accepted to Cornell Vet School when I graduated tech school because I fill the quota of 25 credits per semester and making the deans list. BUT... I got married instead and moved to DC! There are times I really regret it, but hey, being a tech means I got more leverage.

Go back, don't let marrage stop you. I would be hard but you could to it. Cornbread would want you too.
 
Culling hatchlings and declawing cats are very different things O-o Culling hatchlings is better compared to how shelters euthanize unwanted animals. Not a happy thing, but no one's come against it, and if it didn't happen the shelters would unfortunately fill up very quickly. Better to euthanize an animal or let it slowly starve to death? A very different moral argument than surgically altering an animal for appearance or convenience.

I guess I'm not going to call anyone who declaws a cat evil or wantonly cruel or anything, but it would make me think a shade less of them. They get over it, yes, they will be happy later, true. But it still hurts when it's done, and it's inconvienient for the animal; I know cats, and their instincts involve scratching things. Not to invoke the "natural" argument but, well, aesthetically declawed cats are just wrong to me. I was playing with a friends's cats once and realized they were declawed when they batted at me and I couldn't feel any nails. I suppose most people would be happy about not being scratched, but I expect it and maybe even enjoy superficial a bit ^-^ Not being scratched by a swipe just feels wrong, same as it would feel weird if one of my snakes bit me and all I felt was gum.

What can I say, I'm a cat person.
 
you folks are all rediculous. my cat was declawed and suffered in no way whatsoever. he acted 100% himself immediately afterward, showed no sighns of pain, diminished appetite, limping, hesitance, etc. as far as live feedings, i am not for it- but if you are going to whine about the rights of a rodent, then think twice before the next lotion or pharmecutical you use that was surely tested on a rodent in controlled lab settings. peta is nuts- give me a break. and do you not thimk a rodent suffers when it is eaten alive or consticted to death? but thats natural, so its ok? you all need a wakeup call. life is cruel, nature is cruel, mankind is more cruel than all sums.
wah wah wah, i had respect for this site till i realized that it was full of bleeding heart hypocrites that whine for mouse rights and cat rights but surely in their daily life do so much more to harm their fellow man and earth without a care. its all relative once you put it in perspective. we have snakes we love to care for, but if you want to talk true cruelty, look in your viv. it is not NATURAL to keep a snake in captivity, and if you think your snake is happy there- YOU'RE NUTS. Face reality and get off your high horses, it is really quite nauseating.
 
you are a jackass- is you husband or significant other (if you have one) circumcised? would you like to know the correct anatomical procedure for that on a defenseless baby? do you eat hamburger? chicken? any meat? do you drive a petrol-fueled vehicle? do yuo wear shoes? would you like to know what ppor horsely's go through for your glue in your shoe? use toothpaste? maybe you shouldn't. wear silk? wear wool? drink milk? eat cheese? GET OFF OYUR HIGH HORSE HYPOCRITE.
 
amcgltdchix said:
OK I'm a vet tech(12 years and licensed in 2 states and this is a VERY sore topic for me. It is CRUEL). I'll tell you how its done. They AMPUTATE the fist digit off. There is not removal of just the nail. It's the entire digit. The toes are either sutured, glued or just bandaged for swelling and blood loss.

So lets all get the surgery procedure straight before we say how its done. If the cat is trained properly at a young age, given the correct height and substrate to scratch on and the owner learns how to trim nails short and correctly and or apply soft paw- then the declaw is not necessary. It is the amount of effort somone wants to put into it.

you are a jackass- is you husband or significant other (if you have one) circumcised? would you like to know the correct anatomical procedure for that on a defenseless baby? do you eat hamburger? chicken? any meat? do you drive a petrol-fueled vehicle? do yuo wear shoes? would you like to know what ppor horsely's go through for your glue in your shoe? use toothpaste? maybe you shouldn't. wear silk? wear wool? drink milk? eat cheese? GET OFF OYUR HIGH HORSE HYPOCRITE.
 
Those are some pretty harsh responses, Frank. The world's a cruel place, but that doesn't mean that we can't attempt to limit cruelty where we can. You are using your single experience with declawing as the entire basis for your opinion. That's cool, but it's not exactly overwhelming evidence against the view that it can be a cruel and harmful procedure. I'm no PETA person. I believe that pharmaceuticals and products should be tested on animals before humans. I love eating meat. But if you think that my support of animal testing and the meat industry gives me the right to torture a cat, I'd say you need to look more closely at your logic.

Ooooh. Frank doesn't like bleeding hearts, and he doesn't like opinions that differ from his. Am I supposed to care? Get off your own high horse; you're entitled to your opinion, but it is by no means the final word on anything.
 
Yeah, so... you're crazy Frank :)

Since you brought up circumcision though (I was thinking about it, actually, but figured it'd be tastelss and a bit too far off topic to bring up) I think it's a pretty stupid and barbaric proceedure.

I'm not sure how much choice a woman has on whether her husband is circumcized or not though ;) ask about their kids, dear frank.
 
actually, I dont think my opinion is the "end all"
i am just sick of all the whiners and bleeding hearts on this site.
it is really quite pathetic.
and i find it pretty funny how noone has stepped uo to respond to the premise that keeping a snake in a glass tank for their own enjoyment is cruel.
nice sidestep.
i could care less if i win a popularity contest with you all.
i have sat id;e reading these threads for months, now i will speak my mind like you all do so freely and frequently.
 
Roy Munson said:
Those are some pretty harsh responses, Frank. The world's a cruel place, but that doesn't mean that we can't attempt to limit cruelty where we can. You are using your single experience with declawing as the entire basis for your opinion. That's cool, but it's not exactly overwhelming evidence against the view that it can be a cruel and harmful procedure. I'm no PETA person. I believe that pharmaceuticals and products should be tested on animals before humans. I love eating meat. But if you think that my support of animal testing and the meat industry gives me the right to torture a cat, I'd say you need to look more closely at your logic.

Ooooh. Frank doesn't like bleeding hearts, and he doesn't like opinions that differ from his. Am I supposed to care? Get off your own high horse; you're entitled to your opinion, but it is by no means the final word on anything.

anb Dean, you have to be one of the most opinionated people on this site, so take some of your own advice. frankly, i am fed up with seeing your opinions littered in every thread. you obviously have way too much free time.
 
Frank/Dave
Sorry you feel this way
While my opinion is different from your own I remember you were very nice to me when I had to euthanize a hatchling.
I hope you are having a good new year.
 
amelanistic frank said:
anb Dean, you have to be one of the most opinionated people on this site, so take some of your own advice. frankly, i am fed up with seeing your opinions littered in every thread. you obviously have way too much free time.

Nice ad hominem-- last resort of the illogical. I never really offered you any advice, so who knows what you're sputtering on about. If you're implying that I attack other posters and call them names like you do, I'd say the burden of proof is on you. But now I will give you some advice: there's an 'ignore' feature on this board. Why don't you use it, and give the insults a rest. I would be honored to be the first on your ignore list. :grin01:

And don't worry about how I'm managing my time. It really isn't any of your gd business. :)
 
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