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Anyone know Nile Monitors?

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...in-campbellton-new-brunswick/article13636297/


In the memory of these two, Noah and Conner Barthe, I feel that we should let them rest in peace.
Every post is easily found through a Google search and I believe every parent here, if it was your child, would want peace from all the speculation being posted on the internet.

In none of the dozens of news stories is there any indication that it was anything other than what has been determined in the preliminary autopsy report and that is asphyxiation by the python. The Reptile world (us) hoping there is another explanation at this time is pure speculation.
I would think it would be very hard to duplicate strangulation by a python to cover up the deaths by human hands. The authorities are pursuing this case and someone will be prosecuted. As for what we need to wait to find out.

We know tragedies like this will add fuel to more regulation and that's what we fear. IMO, We should except the fact that there is going to be regulation. I feel the best we can fight for is fairness and balance.
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Here are some excerpts from news articles;

Snake expert John Kendrick, a manager at the Reptile Store in Hamilton, Ontario, said that if pythons are startled, they can grab something for stability, and it's possible that the python was just holding on to what it landed on, Kendrick said.

"Once they are in constricting mode, any part of their body that is touching something that moves, they'll wrap it," he said. "I've seen snakes with two different prey items at the same time, one with the back of the body and one with the front. It could have been an incident like that."

Paul Goulet, founder and co-owner of Little Ray's Reptile Zoo in Ottawa, said snakes don't recognize humans as a source of food, but if the children smelled like animals, it could explain an attack.

"If a snake sees an animal moving, giving off heat and smells like a goat, what is it? It's a goat," Goulet said.

Family spokesman Dave Rose, the boys' great-uncle, said the brothers had spent Monday at Savoie's family farm and played with llamas, goats, horses, dogs and cats before staying over at the apartment.

Preliminary autopsy results show the boys were asphyxiated by the python.

23 reptiles that were banned without a permit in New Brunswick were seized from the store, while four large American alligators were euthanized.
 
How did the python kill two children, without one of them making a sound? And, just for fun, let's say the python _did_ attack and kill one kid. Why would he then leave it, and go off to kill another one that he just happens upon? BS.
 
This happened in August, 2013. And like the kid in the highchair in Florida(?) I think, there is always more to the story, that we don't know until months/years later.
I hate to use sketchy (although very touching and sympathetic and emotional) anecdotal accounts to fortify arguments.
And human negligence does not leave a snake as "the bad guy".

Note, a little googling indicates that it is not unanimous what precisely happened.
In fact, more skepticism, than solid sound evidence and facts.
(Autopsies seem to support asphyxiation story, to be fair. But...)

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/08/07/python-murder-mystery-how-did-a-snake-kill-two-young-boys.html

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/owner-of-reptile-ocean-exotic-pet-store-had-blood-on-hands-clothing-1.1423259

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/python-killed-canadian-boys-put-death-young-brothers-stranger-dangerous-reptiles-article-1.1419888

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/usanow/2013/08/06/python-kills-two-boys/2623325/
 
How did the python kill two children, without one of them making a sound? And, just for fun, let's say the python _did_ attack and kill one kid. Why would he then leave it, and go off to kill another one that he just happens upon? BS.

This is my exact thought process. It doesn't add up to me, but the fact that two children are dead is factual and tragic.
 
Newly-obtained documents reveal the owner of the New Brunswick exotic pet store located below an apartment where two young brothers were found dead after a snake escaped its enclosure, was outside the building with blood on his hands and clothing when police arrived.

What was the father---of the untouched/safe child/friend that the two were having a sleep over with---doing in the yard covered in blood, snake unaccounted for...????????...
 
Oh I give up. So off topic.
CMretics I had sent you a PM when you first responded with that good info. Don't know if for some reason you didn't get it. I'll try again. I'm tired of this.
 
I have a question. What is the typical adult diet? Do you feed every day? How is water offered? Do they need a pool to get into? I guess I have a lot of questions!
Adult diet is whole prey items (fish, shellfish, rats, mice, rabbit pinks, chicks) as well as raw egg. I feed daily-every other day, just depends on the animal. Water is offered via a large sterlite bin that they can completely submerge in.

Story is completely fake, nothing about it is legit or possible.

Besides, if you knew about constrictors, you would know asphyxiation is not the cause of death from a constrictor ;)

Oh I give up. So off topic.
CMretics I had sent you a PM when you first responded with that good info. Don't know if for some reason you didn't get it. I'll try again. I'm tired of this.

I'll check it, I've been on cell phone internet mostly the last week while on the road.
 
Sorry if this has already been answered (amongst the arguing which I barely even skim read tbh) but how much space would an adult monitor require? I remember seeing one in a pet shop (not 'For Sale', belonged to owner) and it's enclosure was basically the back part of the shop sectioned off - but even that didn't seem that big for it.

What would you recommend, in your experience of a keeper, as the best sort of set up for one? (how much water to how much land etc).

As the OP now has the monitor it'd be more beneficial to advise over how best to keep the animal rather than argue over whether people should or not, surely? :)
 
Hmm, I personally would go for the largest measurements but then would too much space not be good for them (like the way some people say it's like that for corn snakes)? I guess I'd be thinking more that they may like the extra exercise space.
Thank goodness OP has the space :D

Going by the size I've just read that monitors get up to I guess the pet shop monitor wasn't a full grown adult.

How did you go about taming your monitors, if you don't mind me asking?

(Just because the idea of owning one scares me doesn't mean it's not interesting to know ;D)
 
To be fair, it doesn't hurt anyone to disagree about the associated risks that come with owning potentially dangerous animals. That is how one should make an informed decision in the first place, rather than jumping in and asking questions later.

I'm not judging, however, I feel it's rather snobbish to rely on others for information on an animal that they've acquired, if all they wish to hear is that it was a great decision, and that care is easy.

I would say that quite a bit of information has been shared already, as well, even amongst the 'arguing'. In my less-than half an hour of searching and reading online, I was able to get a pretty solid understanding for how these animals should be cared for (temps, enclosure, diet, and some natural history). And links were added.

Beyond that, good luck.
 
This thread does not have enough pictures.

I adore monitors but I know I don't have what it takes to own one.

Good Luck
 
Story is completely fake, nothing about it is legit or possible.

Besides, if you knew about constrictors, you would know asphyxiation is not the cause of death from a constrictor ;)

While the media may have put some of their own words into the article, there were still two deceased children in the presence of a giant snake. It's extremely ignorant and Ivory tower-like of you to say something about my knowledge when you don't know me. I posted it for the sake of highlighting the perspective of how the public sees the story (i.e. big snake + dead kids = snake did it). While many prey items of constrictors die first of cardiac arrest before asphyxiation, it is entirely possible that asphyxiation could occur first. Hop off your ego a tad, as I am certain you are not the only educated reptile hobbyist.

With regards to the OP, best of luck with your newly acquired beast. I'm sure, with proper care, that a nile monitor can be quite rewarding.
 
To be fair, it doesn't hurt anyone to disagree about the associated risks that come with owning potentially dangerous animals. That is how one should make an informed decision in the first place, rather than jumping in and asking questions later.

I'm not judging, however, I feel it's rather snobbish to rely on others for information on an animal that they've acquired, if all they wish to hear is that it was a great decision, and that care is easy.

I would say that quite a bit of information has been shared already, as well, even amongst the 'arguing'. In my less-than half an hour of searching and reading online, I was able to get a pretty solid understanding for how these animals should be cared for (temps, enclosure, diet, and some natural history). And links were added.

Beyond that, good luck.

Let me be clear, I have researched all the basic needs of monitors previously as I planned to get one a couple years down the road. I'm like that. I planned for my Sulcata for years, researched and researched. I already know temps, enclosure diet, natural history. I want to hear from an experienced person about their character, nuances, anything helpful about captive keeping. That is what I was seeking.

I can't stand when people go out and buy something without knowing how to care for it, having never even heard of the animal previously. This is what I'm talking about when people bring something home and plop it in a tank. I am not that kind of person.
 
Hmm, I personally would go for the largest measurements but then would too much space not be good for them (like the way some people say it's like that for corn snakes)? I guess I'd be thinking more that they may like the extra exercise space.
Thank goodness OP has the space :D

Going by the size I've just read that monitors get up to I guess the pet shop monitor wasn't a full grown adult.

How did you go about taming your monitors, if you don't mind me asking?

(Just because the idea of owning one scares me doesn't mean it's not interesting to know ;D)
I never force them to interact with me, all are allowed to interact with me on their own terms, individuals are individuals, there is no "one trick method".

To be fair, it doesn't hurt anyone to disagree about the associated risks that come with owning potentially dangerous animals. That is how one should make an informed decision in the first place, rather than jumping in and asking questions later.

I'm not judging, however, I feel it's rather snobbish to rely on others for information on an animal that they've acquired, if all they wish to hear is that it was a great decision, and that care is easy.

I would say that quite a bit of information has been shared already, as well, even amongst the 'arguing'. In my less-than half an hour of searching and reading online, I was able to get a pretty solid understanding for how these animals should be cared for (temps, enclosure, diet, and some natural history). And links were added.

Beyond that, good luck.
There is nearly 0 good husbandry info available by basic google searching for these animals, every care sheet you'll find is a joke, very few keepers have kept these animals alive long enough to be able to speak on their care properly.

While the media may have put some of their own words into the article, there were still two deceased children in the presence of a giant snake. It's extremely ignorant and Ivory tower-like of you to say something about my knowledge when you don't know me. I posted it for the sake of highlighting the perspective of how the public sees the story (i.e. big snake + dead kids = snake did it). While many prey items of constrictors die first of cardiac arrest before asphyxiation, it is entirely possible that asphyxiation could occur first. Hop off your ego a tad, as I am certain you are not the only educated reptile hobbyist.

With regards to the OP, best of luck with your newly acquired beast. I'm sure, with proper care, that a nile monitor can be quite rewarding.

Ever been bit by an afrock? I have, so 2 kids neither makes 1 noise or makes a sound. Facts - the kids died of co2 poisoning, not the snake, the snake was even found extremely sluggish far away in a corner.

I don't care how the public sees it, I know the public hates my animals, I work to fix that every day, but there's a big difference between the uneducated public, and someone who claims to know anything about reptiles.
 
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