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Bicycles

Rich Z

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Connie and I bought some el cheapo Walmart bicycles a while back and we have been taking them to St. Joe State Park here in north Florida when we would rent a cabin there. Also cleared up our trail a bit and been riding that as well. We both seemed to be really enjoying riding bikes, so when I discovered that the crank on my bike was wobbling like hell, and the shifter cable on the rear gear set was broken at the connector, I figured maybe we just needed to get some better bikes.

So Thursday we went to a local bike shop to take a look around.

Yikes! Seriously? Someone would pay over $7,000 for a bicycle? Even the cheapest bikes there were 6 to 8 times what we paid for the Walmart bikes! And all of them, regardless of price, are still made in China anyway.

Well, we talked it over before we went out there and figured that if we got GOOD bikes, hopefully they would just last longer than the el cheapo brands. I guess we can only hope that there is some sort of quality being put into something to make them much more expensive.

Anyway, we were first looking at what is known as a "hybrid" bike, in that it (I think) is best suited for a combo of flat paved roads and some minor trail riding. But when I looked at them, those skinny tires just didn't give me any confidence at all. Not too long ago we went to St. George Island and rode from the last pavilion all the way to the pass. That was a trip of five miles one way, which I will admit I was quite astonished that we could do. Of course, we nearly died of heat prostration and dehydration, but that's another story. Anyway, that trip was on a road that was pretty much just compacted sand, with some areas being soft sand. And those larger tires we had on the Walmart bikes had trouble with the sand. So I certainly didn't think those skinny hybrid tires would be worth considering.

Sooo, they had some mountain bikes there that had some 29 inch knobby tires that were around 2 inches wide and they looked much better for what we wanted. The way I figured it, a mountain bike can certainly handle paved roads well enough, but a road bike sure as heck won't handle off roading like we were planning on. I think the models we got are the Specialized 29s. "Specialized" seems to be a pretty good brand name from what I have learned on the net, so hopefully they will hold up. These were 2012 models and made in Taiwan instead of China. Not real cheap, but not a severe blow to the chin, neither. As usual, I figured out the tops I wanted to spend and wound up spending twice that.

We took them out for a test ride. They only had two, one black and one red. Connie HATES red, so I got the red one. Color doesn't matter to me as long as it's not hot pink or purple. Anyway, the bikes rode so much better than the Walmart bikes that it was ridiculous. The gear shifting was completely effortless and the bikes were obviously much faster even on that short stint on flat roadway. From the smiles on Connie's face I could see that she was enjoying the bike too, so what was I supposed to do?

So we put them into the bike carrier I bought for Connie's truck and brought them on home, with a much lighter credit card. We also bought some pretty funky helmets and a few other odds and ends. People on the bike forums talked a LOT about "crashes", so I presume this is a common thing. Heck, I "crashed" the Walmart bike once myself at St. Joe and scraped up my knee in the process. Didn't notice that broken off asphalt (meaning "hole") where my foot was supposed to rest when I stopped to look at something along the road, and over I went. So maybe having something to help from clunking your noggin against concrete or asphalt is a good thing.

Been riding around our path and we can go the entire route (surprising for this neck of the woods, our path is actually a little bit hilly) without keeling over once or twice. With the Walmart bikes it was much more of a struggle to ride the path. Still really gets our hearts a pumping, so I'm hoping this will be good exercise rather than a death wish. I'm thinking that there just might be an age reached where it isn't really exercise any more, just stress testing the heart till you fail it.

But bike riding IS a lot of fun. Having a good bike is likely going to be a whole lot MORE fun. If I live through it, of course. :)
 
Congrats on the new bikes. Specialized is a very good choice in bikes. And as you've noticed, there's a huge difference between even the "low end" good bikes and Walmart specials.
 
I believe the model of these bikes is actually "Specialized Rockhopper 29er". At least that's what shows up when I went and registered the bikes online at Specialized's website.

And yeah, no going back for me to a Walmart bike. Just the much improved shifters on the Specialized have spoiled me already.
 
I used to cycle a lot. The "29" refers to the wheel size, which is larger than standard.

I started out mountain biking. You've got some great trails in your area! Actually, Florida and Georgia and North Carolina have great trails all over. My mountain bike is a custom built bike, and cost $2200. So worth it. An American company, which replaced the frame under warranty (whole new design) when a couple people had cracks after crashes.

For some reason, I decided to get into road riding, and bought a bike off Ebay for $1700. Both those bikes are lightyears ahead in terms of improvements over a Walmart bike. They should last forever. Makes me wonder what the $7000 bike would be like!

For bikes, they say "Strong, light, cheap- pick two."

Here'a thread about my dog's first bike ride.

Here's a thread about when I received the R12 Award.

Chances are if you do a search here for "bike" and posts by me, you'll find posts about my cycle herping adventures! (I found six pages of posts).
 
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This is a ride report for a ride I did in 2006 in your neck of the woods, kind of! (My bike's name is Lava.)


TOSRV is a two day 200 mile (or kilometer) ride from Quincy, Florida, to Albany, (Al-bane-ee) Georgia, and back. Practically everyone I meet locally has been on it, with fond memories.

I picked up my packet at Sunshine Cycles in Tallahassee early Friday evening. There was a cool T-shirt, a meal ticket, a card with emergency phone numbers, sheets of instructions of what to do with luggage, etc., and a sort of weird cue sheet which for Saturday's ride read from the bottom up, I guess so it would match the map going north. Kind of confusing.

Then I drove a little bit west and north to the small town of Quincy, where I would be staying overnight at the rec center where the ride would start the next day. About 20 people out of the 425 riders stayed at the rec center, some on the gym floor, and some outside in tents. I chose to sleep in my truck so there would be no packing up in the morning.

I spent the evening talking to a couple of men from Biloxi. One had lost everything in Hurricane Katrina and was living in a FEMA trailer- but in good spirits. He had managed to rescue and salvage his bike. Everyone turned in early, about 9:30.

Saturday morning I brought my bag to the luggage truck for transport to Motel 6, then waited for the ride start at 7:30. One of the things I heard most frequently about this ride was how good the food was. One person even called it "gourmet." While the food was good, it was fairly standard, in my opinion. Pre-breakfast at the rec center was bagels, orange juice and bananas.

I decided, based on the forecast, to bring _all_ my rainclothes. It looked like rain was imminent at the start, so I put my helmet cover on, and my Calientoes. Sure enough, about 30 minutes into the ride, it started to rain, so I stopped to put on my rain jacket, but not the pants, since it was in the 60's and fairly warm. The fast riders managed to make it to breakfast in Cairo, (Kay-ro) Georgia, 40 miles to the north, before the downpour, but I got to ride through almost all of it! Stayed nice and warm and dry in my Showers Pass jacket, though, and my feet didn't get wet until about 30 minutes before I stopped.

For the entire ride, the route was patrolled ceaselessy by many SAG vehicles, all kept in contact by three amateur radio clubs. Bike repairs were handled by Sunshine Cyclery. The route was perfectly marked with road arrows-including the proper confirmation arrows after the turns- I never had a single moment of confusion. Also, almost all turns had a volunteer at the turn to make sure no one got off course.

Breakfast was grits, (yuck!) cheese grits, (yuck!!) and some sort of egg/potato/cheese bake which was good, but Mr. Stingy didn't want to give me enough to eat...Maybe he thought I needed to leave room for grits. Lots of riders were trying to get dry- wringing out wet clothes and even drying things under the hand dryer in the bathroom.

When I set off again, the rain had let up a little, and about half an hour later was done. The sun came out and I was able to appreciate miles and miles of pecan groves, a huge variety of purple flowers along the road, and even a muddy stream with gorgeous yellow irises.

At the lunch stop at 70 miles, everyone was required to take off their shoes with cleats before going into the cafeteria, so there were hundreds of pairs of bike shoes lined up outside the door. Lunch was pasta salad, with either chicken or cheese (I had both types, delicious!) and crusty French bread, and mini candy bars.

After lunch, the weather was sunny and in the 80's- perfect for riding. At the last SAG stop before the end of the first 100 miles, we were served fresh orange slices and cookies in a pretty shady grove. Then only ten miles to the High School!

As we approached a busy four-lane highway near the end, two sheriff's deputies, one on each side of the road, actually stopped traffic to allow us to cross! I think I was in a group of three at the time- it certainly wasn't necessary- but was kind of cool!

Then I checked in at the High School in Albany with some enthusiastic teenage volunteers, received directions to the Motel Six less than a mile away, and biked to my room.

For my $29, I got: No tub, only a shower. Toilet that didn't flush without a lot of persuasion. No blanket on the bed. No towels. And a phone call in the middle of the night asking "Hey, is your man in the room with you?" But excellent cable channels! I spent some time hanging up all my wet rain clothes so they would be dry enough to pack and send home in my bag.

About 5:30 I started to get ready to ride over to the HS for the 6:00 dinner seating. I'd had Lava parked out in front of the door, and when I picked her up to get her turned around, melted Sport Beans poured out from their container in the Bento Box, all over everything. So I removed the whole Bento Box and scrubbed out the accumulation of melted Sport Beans and Succeed Caps which was much-needed anyway.

At the cafeteria, I rejoined my new friends from Biloxi for dinner. We had spaghetti, garlic toast, green really fat beans, corn, strawberry shortcake and ice cream. Very yummy! The funniest part of the evening was listening to one of the guys, the talkative one, tell story after embarassing story about the other guy, Mike. For every topic of conversation, there was a Mike Story. Finally, in a momentary break, Mike says "You know what they call him at home? Tater!" Mike and I burst out laughing, and could not stop. Even Tater had to laugh. It was the funniest payback.

The next morning, I was up at 5:30 and over to McDonalds by 6:15, where many had gathered for breakfast. We were to start the ride at whatever time we wanted as long as it was daylight, so I started off about 6:45. Breakfast today was sooner- at 30 miles. It was a sunny, cool morning, so I wore the new Louis Garneau "I Give Up" knickers for the first couple hours. They were fine. I made pretty good time through the flat fields and pecan groves, drafting in a threesome at 18, then getting absorbed into a pack going 20, then absorbed into a bigger pack going 24, but then getting spit out on a hill.

Breakfast Sunday was French toast and a fruit cup. Then I headed out to lunch, over some nice rolling hills.

Lunch was at 60 miles- turkey sandwiches and bean salad and some sort of sweet whipped cream salad. I parked my bike in some blackberry bushes and helped myself to a few!

After lunch came the hills. That's all anyone can talk about on this ride, besides the "gourmet" food, is the hills after lunch. I was expecting the worst, but most of the hils were long gentle rollers. I actually didn't get into the worst of the hills until after the final SAG stop, in the cemetary, 20 miles from the finish. The first came after crossing a river- a very long climb. I kept waiting for more worse hills, but there was nothing until I got back into the town of Quincy- then one short very steep hill in the shade, then a few blocks of city streets, and I was back at the rec center for a shower and more ice cream. Since this was the 25th anniversary, all finishers were awarded a nice medal.

My ride times were 6:40 the first day, and slightly less the second day- but I locked my computer by accident before beginning the ride on Sunday, so couldn't zero it out, so couldn't subtract the riding I did to and from dinner. 16.1 average speed for the weekend.

All in all, it was a very nice two days of riding: very scenic, almost perfect weather, great SAG support, good meals, very rural without much traffic. I'll be happy to go again next year!

Nanci
 
My advice that you didn't ask for, Rich, is carry a sports drink and food with you. You can build up your endurance in leaps and bounds, but without proper nutrition while you're riding, you'll deplete so much energy you'll be miserable. Nutrition- replacing the calories you're burning with something easy to digest- is the key to being happy when you're riding.

And bike shorts. Proper bike shorts. They make mountain bike shorts with a "liner" holding the chamois if you don't want to wear road bike shorts. And those bike jerseys that are T-shirt style? Yeah, you aren't wearing a sweat-soaked hot non-breathable shirt. And then gloves protect and cushion your hands, and decent cycling shoes have better grip on the pedals and support for your feet than tennies. (Once you switch to clip less pedals you;ll never go back!)
 
The $7000 mountain bikes include carbon fiber frames, front and rear suspension with adjustable levels of dampening, hydraulic disc brakes, top of the line shimano components and are intended for competition level cross country and downhill riding. They are certainly overkill for the casual bike rider.

And I'll second Nanci's advice to carry additional nutrition with you. My buddy and I turned a 20 mile, relatively casual mountain bike ride into a 31 mile ride including an extra 5+ miles of serious climbing. By the end of the ride, which concluded with a 2 mile, 1000ft. climb, we were both absolutely drained and barely had the energy to ride in our very lowest gears. I stll remember being able to see my car just a couple hundred yards away but I still couldn't muscle enough to get out of first gear.

I have never felt so starved in my entire life. I ended up racing to burger king and wolfing down two whoppers like it was nothing.

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We bought gloves and insulated water bottles when we bought the bikes. Connie got some padded shorts, but I'm thinking if I need the extra padding, I'll just replace the seat on my bike. But quite honestly, those long stretch endurance style bike rides are not on the radar for us at this time. This is just for fun and basically casual rides where the scenery warrants a more close-up encounter than you can get from a car. Actually the bikes are more for going places we really can't, or don't want to, take the cars anyway.

As for riding the bikes in rain, and/or needing to carry a substantial amount of provisions to survive a long trip, no, I don't see that happening. Heck, we don't even like driving the cars in the rain. At this stage of our lives, the bar above "fun" that becomes "not fun" is pretty low. Riding bikes in the rain is going to be WAY up above that bar.

Oh and about Sunshine Cycles here in Tallahassee, Connie and I went to that store a few years ago when we were thinking about getting the bikes we are now replacing. Or was it the set of bikes before them? Anyway, whenever it was, we walked around inside the store for a good 20 minutes looking at the bikes and reading labels to note the features, but not a single sales person took the time to come over and ask us if we needed help. And we actually made eye contact with a few. Not sure why we were being ignored, but THIS time we went elsewhere. Place called Higher Ground and we were there no more than a minute before the sales girl practically came over to ask us if we had any questions, and was extremely helpful. She didn't HAVE to show us how to change a tire tube, but she did. So they got our business.
 
Rich- in a few months, even if you're just cruising along at 8-10 miles an hour- 5 on a MTB trail- you'll be amazed at how much ground you can cover in two or three hours.

There are paved Rails-to-Trails all over our state that take you through really cool, wild places, with lots of snakes!
 
Yeah, we've got quite a few bike trails, paved and not, within easy driving distance from our house. Heck, we're only a mile or so from the edge of the Apalachicola National Forest, which has zillions of miles of unpaved roads running all through it. I can see where a little handheld GPS might be a handy thing to have.

BTW, has anyone had any problems with dogs chasing you while biking? Hmm, now that I'm thinking of it, wonder if anyone has had bears chase them? :) There was a very large pile of well, "animal squeezins" laying along our own bike path yesterday. And we've been having one of the bird feeder poles bent to the ground again. Around here I can carry my Glock, but don't think that would go over to well out on public trails.
 
I haven't had much trouble with dogs. A squirt with your water bottle, or brandishing a bike pump, usually sends them on their way. And practice sprinting!
 
Actually Connie is worried about dogs more than I am. Dog comes barking around my legs I'm going to get off the bike and snap kick him in the head to send him on his way. But I'm thinking maybe some pepper spray. Hopefully the wind won't be blowing the wrong way, though. Probably a stream instead of a spray would work best.

A while back we had this dog on our road bound and determined he was going to tackle the blue vette. I didn't want the dumbass jumping onto the car and scratching the paint, so I thought I would try something. The dog nearly lightened his load when I rev'd the engine at him. :laugh: That car IS pretty loud. And I'm sure it sounded like one hellacious growl to him.
 
I had a Specialized mountain bike for years....we used them for bike patrol with the Sheriff's department and for fun......got them on sale back them for about $1500 I think. Then of course you had to have lights for night patrols, saddle bags to carry equipment...water bottle holder.....helmet.....It was fun though!
 
Awesome! I think everyone should have a bike. Great exercise, little to no impact, and its a great way to get around and see your city/town/nature, etc.

And $7k is nothing. Most I've seen was a $18k road bike at a local shop. Was a limited edition bike that McLaren and Specialized made together. I couldn't have weighed more than 10lbs.

But yes, as you've seen a HUGE difference between a Walmart bike and a "real" bike. Keep it up, it becomes addicting!
 
Well, I think I pushed myself a LITTLE too hard last week when we did about 15 miles. We were staying at one of the cabins on Cape San Blas in the park and we rode our new bikes each day. We were there Sunday thru Tuesday - supposed to be thru Friday morning but the black flies chased us out of there. We were actually scheduled to be there again this upcoming week, but since the black fly problem appeared to be getting worse just from Sunday to Tuesday, we figured it would be a waste of time and money being there. You could NOT walk on the beach! The flies literally mobbed you. It was not tough at all to kill three or more flies at a time with one swat of the hand. And these aren't just nuisance flies that landed on you just to aggravate you. These suckers BIT, and bit HARD. Not as bad as yellow flies, though, but still, not our idea of a fun time at the beach,

Anyway, Tuesday is when we did 15 miles round trip and on the way back my left hip started feeling like I had a knife stuck in it. I tried to tough it out, but it became obvious that I wasn't going to make that last half mile back to the cabin without it building to REAL pain. So I had to find a bench and sit down for a spell before continuing on back to the cabin. I guess 10 miles is going to be my outside limit for a while. At least on flat roads. How the heck did I get to be 64 years old so fast? :shrugs:

The new bikes are worlds better than those cheap Walmart ones. And I guess the 29 inch wheels help a lot too. Still there is just a limit to how much we can ride till we build up to it a bit. Well, at least in MY case. Connie hasn't complained about any aches and pains yet from riding.

I went and transferred a more cushioned seat that I had put on the old bike onto this new one. The old seat is long and narrow and really pretty darn hard. Certain parts of my anatomy didn't much care for the entire arrangement. Leaning forward had to be done VERY carefully. How those REAL bicycle riders do it all hunched over the handle bars completely baffles me. I would be speaking in falsetto for the rest of my life if I tried to do that. Just one big bump in the road and that would be that...
 
It's great you're doing it Rich! My BIL started bike racing......he's in his late 50's. He did a 50 miler and then decided he could do 100 miles. My sister went into a bike shop to get some stuff for him for little gifts for Father's day. The guy mentioned that her husband must be a serious biker if he's doing a hundred miler. She said um, noooo, not really. He'd only done a 50 miler prior to this. It was met with dead silence, staring and an oh! Hmmmmmm......he made it through the race but she and one other lady (who's husband also was riding his first hundred miler) were the last ones at the end of the race waiting and waiting....looked like that commercial where the runner comes in and the only ones left are the guys sweeping up. He's not going to do another one.....he said the last 20 miles almost killed him!
 
I don't see me doing 100 miles on a bike, EVER. Heck, maybe not even 50 miles. I think there is reached a point where you just stop looking at the scenery and start thinking about where the nearest hospital is located in case you need it.

Oh yeah, and to make bike riding more exciting, we have another bear coming around here. This one is smaller than the other one a while back. We heard that FWCC came around and caught the larger one and relocated him since he was being a nuisance and a lot of people must have complained to them. This smaller one has been bending down the bird feeder the last couple of nights. Connie had some peanut blocks out for the woodpeckers, and he tore those up. I've got to see if I can straighten out one of them because it's bent up pretty badly. So, of course, if we are riding around our own little bike path, we have to assume that it's possible we could suddenly round a bend and come up on this bear. The bear doesn't seem to be afraid of the water blasters I have out by the bird feeder, so I'm not sure how he would react to us coming towards him on the bikes. Heck, why the bear is taking the time to eat sunflower seeds and ignoring the ripe fruits on the pindo palms really baffles me. The fruits are very fragrant, so it's not like he could miss them.
 
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