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Bro & Sis in one viv

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AmelEP

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I know I know...lots of people get worked up on cohabitation issues but I had to ask...
I've had my corns for a little over two months now they're brother and sister and they've done great in one tank together so far. They have their own preferred hides and I've never seen them have any problems together. However I'm not planning on keeping them together forever.
My husband and I were going to buy another tank to seperate them next year after we move. But I recently found a thread somewhere on here about a corn being bred at only 12 months of age. I thought corns reach sexual maturity at 3-4 years of age? I really wish I don't need to get another viv before we move being that I already have to sqeeze two dogs, two rabbits, a bird and a viv in my little Honda on moving day...but on the other hand, I don't want to wake up on moving day and find a pile of corn eggs ... :sidestep:
 
Sounds to me like you already know the answer to your question. :)

How far is the move going to be? Is it feasible to make two trips? I'm sure you can come up with a creative solution. Maybe use Sterilite for one. Is the current viv large enough for you to fit in a divider of some sort? Where there's a will, there's a way. Good luck! Best of Luck!! :wavey:
 
Use a sterilite tub until you move and then get the big viv.

Being "siblings" makes no difference, it's not like they know they are related =)
 
Depending on what type of tank you already have them in, look into getting a piece of plexiglass at Lowes to split the viv in half. Then they can still be in the same tank but separate. When you move you can put them in sterlite shoe boxes with holes in them and that will save some space in your car.

Females shouldn't be breed until they are at least 300 grams, that's because the egg laying is so hard and they extra weight ensures the egg laying process won't kill them.
 
AmelEP said:
But I recently found a thread somewhere on here about a corn being bred at only 12 months of age. I thought corns reach sexual maturity at 3-4 years of age?
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Reaching sexual maturity is more a matter of size/weight than it is of age; some snakes can reach that at 8 months.

The "3-4 years" is considered more or less the minimum "safe" age for breeding wherein the snake has enough "reserve" to readily survive the trauma of egg-laying. It's part of that "rule of threes" in breeding corns - 3 years, 3 feet, 300 grams.

regards,
jazz
 
...in other words..."sexual maturity" and "safe breeding size" are two different things. Corns can breed MUCH earlier than 3 years, 300 grams, 3 feet in length...but it isn't safe. Breeders hold off on breeding their corns until they obtain a size that makes egg-laying recoverable for the female. If the snake is too small, or hasn't enough musculature to push out the eggs, she becomes eggbound, and could die.

The instinct to breed, however, will kick in much earlier than that. Following their instincts, corns will attempt to mate as soon as possible...around yearling to 18 months, on average. But they typically will not have reached a size that would be considered safe in this time frame. In the wild, these "pre-mature" females would most likely die and become a part of the food chain. In captivity, we cherish the lives of the snakes, so we prevent mating until a more desireable size is achieved, and we can be more assured of success in laying AND recovery.
 
MerlinsPop said:
How far is the move going to be? Is it feasible to make two trips? I'm sure you can come up with a creative solution. Maybe use Sterilite for one. Is the current viv large enough for you to fit in a divider of some sort? Where there's a will, there's a way. Good luck! Best of Luck!! :wavey:
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Well, the move is going to be a 14 hour car ride with a U-Haul towing my hubby's Mustang and me following behind in my Honda...we've driven this way at least 6 times there and back in the past 4 months looking at houses...it's the most horrible drive ever. Seriously, anyone gone through I-10 from west TX to CA? Especially during summer time, we had a built in thermometer in the car and it said 112 the whole way...no shade no nothing...just sand and cactus everywhere. :puke01: We had to put a blanket on top of the dash board half way through because when we got off the car for a break and came back, our coke bottle cap got melted on top of it! We were only gone for 3 minutes or less! Sorry 'bout the rambling...So...yeah, we're hoping the moving day would be the last time we go through there.

I've tried dividing the viv in two but then I can't fit a set of everything on both sides, it's only a 20 galloner. I guess it's off to WalMart shopping for sterilite boxes...but they wouldn't match with our furnitures. :cry:
 
Buy another 20 gallon tank now and use it until you move.Put the snakes in sterilites while you move and only take one tank and the equipment from both.Buy another 20 gallon when you get to the new house,they're pretty cheap. :shrugs: You can use the tank for some fish when you get there,'cause if the let the car get that hot on this trip you probably won't have a snake,rabbitt,bird or dog to worry about!!! :rolleyes:
 
jazzgeek said:
Reaching sexual maturity is more a matter of size/weight than it is of age; some snakes can reach that at 8 months.

The "3-4 years" is considered more or less the minimum "safe" age for breeding wherein the snake has enough "reserve" to readily survive the trauma of egg-laying. It's part of that "rule of threes" in breeding corns - 3 years, 3 feet, 300 grams.

regards,
jazz
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Actually not true. The female that was accidently bred in the one thread was barely over 100 grams and no where near what she should be for breeding. It seems that proximity or whatever is all that's necessary, especially if the male is ready and persistance. I'd get a rubbermaid tub and get them seperated!
 
...Seriously, anyone gone through I-10 from west TX to CA? Especially during summer time, we had a built in thermometer in the car and it said 112 the whole way...no shade no nothing...just sand and cactus everywhere....
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Yes, I have...twice...once in August(which will NEVER happen again), and once in October, which wasn't quite so bad...it only reached 98*F... :grin01:

Only...I did it in a car with no A/C...it suuuuuucked.....

Get a couple of sterilite tubs with locking lids and seperate them ASAP. It's only a few weeks for the sake and health of your snake...seriously.
 
MegF. said:
Actually not true. The female that was accidently bred in the one thread was barely over 100 grams and no where near what she should be for breeding. It seems that proximity or whatever is all that's necessary, especially if the male is ready and persistance. I'd get a rubbermaid tub and get them seperated!
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What part of my post isn't "true"? Given how Chris (tyflier) expanded on it, I don't think we're in disagreement here.
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Corns can reach sexual maturity at an age MUCH earlier than the "rule of threes"; proximity is all that's necessary, but it puts the female at a great risk.

regards,
jazz
 
I stand corrected! Missed part of the other thread from Tyflier. Either way...it comes down to the same thing. Seperate!
 
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