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Business and morals?

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Well I have to say I am completely frustrated with this and to the point of feeling ill over it all. I know I'm not the 1st person to be frustrated or to be screwed over by someone but I just don't think it's fair that nothing ever be said. If I ever "accidentally" screwed someone over, I would make every effort to make things right no matter what or how long it has been, especially if I had actually known about it from the get go (not happening). I hate liars and ppl that manipulate facts to suit their purpose, and when you call them out on it they ignore you or play stupid like they didn't realize. You shouldn't sell things that have problems that you knew about and just decide not to say anything and pass on the problem to another or ruin things for them. Oh and just so we get this straight after you get called out on a problem that you knew about and you do nothing to try to fix it, I have the right to ask for some sort of solution. I don't think that's unreasonable and it certainly NOT an acceptable for you to make it a reason for you to not fix it.

What happened to respect or keeping up your good name? I guess that morals and business don't work together for everyone. I know they do for me and some other wonderful ppl I know.

Most ppl won't care about my post I know, and some might even say its part of business, but it will Never be acceptable for me to do business with ppl without morals I will not operate that way. And like I said if an accident or mistake is made I will right it, unlike this person!
 
Wow I am sorry that you have had a bad experience. Should this be a BOI thing? FWIW I agree with you 100%. Any issues should be disclosed in the beginning and if it was an issue you didn't know about it is still good business practice to make it right.
 
Thank you, Christen I would like to make it a boi thing but I think it will cause me further grief cause ppl aren't gonna like it so I'm on the fence with posting yet.
 
I too am sorry to hear of you having a bad experience. Posting it on the BOI though, while it may not get the desired results to rectify your situation (but many times I have seen that it does) it will help to get the news out there so that it may prevent the same problem happening to someone else. I think the biggest problem in general is that nobody uses the BOI so how is anyone to know, it makes it tough for everyone. I hope that things do get set straight for you however and that the seller does what's right.
 
I live by the BOI. I will research those I buy from and those buying from me before I start any transaction. I almost got bit once and I am not going to take that chance again.
 
Excuse my ignorance but what is BOI. I feel all bad business should be brought to light to expose people for doing bad business so it stops.
 
It's the Board of Inquiry listed on our cornsnake site as a link. To post good and bad reports of transactions, sales ect.

This person is defiantly listed there and with good regard, so I had no reason to think it was gona be like it ended up especially not from this person. Ugh
 
So sorry for your bad experience - it is definitely not acceptable business practice!

You should post in the BOI to warn others. But it is important to remember that the members there will not automatically believe everything you say without proof. They don't know you. So be sure to make the post factual, easy to read, and not overly emotional, which makes it more difficult to understand. Be sure to post any proof you have, such as photos, emails, proof of purchase, or anything else you can think of to back up your claims.

The people who run afoul of the members there are those who post without any proof and are then offended that everyone doesn't automatically believe everything they say. I find the members there are usually pretty fair when judging a situation. I have seen them sympathize with a poster, or turn against him / her. It just depends on how you present your side. If you post as though you are in court trying to sway the judge and jury, then readers now and in the future can decide that they will not do business with that seller, and that may or may not cause him to change his ways. But at least you will feel better that you have been heard. And he may even offer some sort of resolution to make the situation better.
 
Hi Nanci,

I am thinking that means that Rich doesn't want anyone posting a BOI type post about a specific person or business, right? But are posts about how, or whether, to use the BOI ok? I think this discussion might help members unfamiliar with the BOI to learn more about it and how to use it.
 
Exactly.

Posting on BOI can be a double-edged sword. Facts that the original poster may not wish to discuss will come to light. People need to be prepared for that.

BOI can also be used to protect innocent people from false claims.
 
EXACTLY!

That was exactly what I wanted to convey. If you lay your case out as if going to court, and you have good supporting evidence, you are likely to "win". But if you post just expecting everyone to take your word, or if you have anything to hide, the "detectives" on the BOI will ask hard questions and are likely to ferret out the truth.

As long as you understand that going in, it is well worth posting there.
 
Hi Nanci,

I am thinking that means that Rich doesn't want anyone posting a BOI type post about a specific person or business, right? But are posts about how, or whether, to use the BOI ok? I think this discussion might help members unfamiliar with the BOI to learn more about it and how to use it.

Yes, that is correct. General discussions about transactions are OK, but actually mentioning someone's name then puts the BOI discussion HERE, which I do not want to have happen. It's tough enough keeping things from bursting into flames over there without having to worry about the same thing taking place here too.

And yes, the BOI can be produce some significant blowback for someone not prepared to support their claims. Which is as it should be. You wouldn't want someone posting bogus unsupported claims about you, and neither does anyone else. Someone posting there pretty much has to PROVE their claims, otherwise people will either tend to ignore them, or else cut them a little bit to draw some blood and throw them into the shark infested waters. But regardless of the methods I've seen people employ there, sooner or later the truth really does tend to come out sooner or later.

The Board of Inquiry has pretty much the atmosphere of a court room except there is no judge presiding over the proceedings. There will be no decision rendered by anyone OFFICIALLY concerning who is guilty and who is innocent. That is up to each reader to come to that conclusion on their own. And it may just turn out that both parties are guilty in one way or another, or both are innocent and there was just a big misunderstanding that needed to get ironed out with an audience. In effect, though, all of the viewers are the judge and jury in the sense that they will usually make a judgement call on what they read there that may affect their future decisions about who to do business with. I've seen bad guys proven to be good guys, and also good guys who had been putting on an act, sometimes for YEARS, proven to be bad as bad can get. The truth all comes out eventually.

Some people don't like the way I run the BOI. Nearly all bad guys who have been outed pretty much hate my guts because of it. I've been threatened with more lawsuits than I can shake a stick at because of it. Some people have tried various other methods, thinking they new better how to do the same thing, but with no real success. Heck, I've tried other methods over the years. Best I have been able to determine, the way it is running right now is about the best anyone could hope to do with what it was originally designed to accomplish. I just try to stay out of the way of the participants, and only reign in things via common sense rules (I hope) to help keep the posts relevant and the participants from getting too carried away with the emotions of the moment. The PURPOSE of the Board of Inquiry is to help right as many wrongs as it can, or at least help other people avoid someone who is obviously doing people wrong. It's purpose is NOT to provide entertainment to people looking for blood baths and flame wars. Personally derogatory name calling, threats, cursing, and the like is VERY strongly discouraged. I expect people to act professionally and mature there, and I have long lost count of the number of people I have banned because they could not get with that program.

In any event, before ANYONE gets involved in the Board of Inquiry, I strongly suggest spending time to READ long before you WRITE. And if your ducks aren't all lined up in a row, expect that to be bluntly pointed out to you. Don't get defensive, just pay attention to what people are telling you that they NEED from you. Although it might not feel like it, they actually are trying to help you prove your case. If you go off on a defensive tirade against the membership because they are seemingly grilling YOU and ignoring who you are making a claim against, well, that is the blood in the water mentioned above. You've been warned.

There are some very smart and capable people that hang out there, and BS is just not going to get past them. So don't even try if you want to retain all of your limbs when you leave there.
 
If I may offer my opinion, what it looks like is happening here is an attempt to get a private one-sided BOI going here. This is just how it reads to me, but I see someone attempting to garner sympathy, and basically get people to PM you to find out who this "bad business person" is without offering them a chance to explain their side. There are many instances where a buyer believes they have been wronged, but an outside assessment from a third party with no bias or hand in the pot shows that there is no wrongdoing on the seller's behalf. The other thing to remember is that we work with animals. Not everything about an animal can be guaranteed or certified. Read through the seller's terms and conditions again to see if they offer some sort of guarantee regarding the situation you're experiencing. If they do not, then they are not obligated, even by moral standards, to do anything else for you. I have no knowledge of your situation, and am looking at this as an outsider with no inside knowledge of what happened between you or the seller.

Anyways, that's my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth.
 
Well I have to say I am completely frustrated with this and to the point of feeling ill over it all. I know I'm not the 1st person to be frustrated or to be screwed over by someone but I just don't think it's fair that nothing ever be said. If I ever "accidentally" screwed someone over, I would make every effort to make things right no matter what or how long it has been, especially if I had actually known about it from the get go (not happening). I hate liars and ppl that manipulate facts to suit their purpose, and when you call them out on it they ignore you or play stupid like they didn't realize. You shouldn't sell things that have problems that you knew about and just decide not to say anything and pass on the problem to another or ruin things for them. Oh and just so we get this straight after you get called out on a problem that you knew about and you do nothing to try to fix it, I have the right to ask for some sort of solution. I don't think that's unreasonable and it certainly NOT an acceptable for you to make it a reason for you to not fix it.

What happened to respect or keeping up your good name? I guess that morals and business don't work together for everyone. I know they do for me and some other wonderful ppl I know.

Most ppl won't care about my post I know, and some might even say its part of business, but it will Never be acceptable for me to do business with ppl without morals I will not operate that way. And like I said if an accident or mistake is made I will right it, unlike this person!

Please go to the BOI for the rest of the story. The link is:
http://www.faunaclassifieds.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1633503&posted=1#post1633503

John
 
If I may offer my opinion, what it looks like is happening here is an attempt to get a private one-sided BOI going here. This is just how it reads to me, but I see someone attempting to garner sympathy, and basically get people to PM you to find out who this "bad business person" is without offering them a chance to explain their side. There are many instances where a buyer believes they have been wronged, but an outside assessment from a third party with no bias or hand in the pot shows that there is no wrongdoing on the seller's behalf. The other thing to remember is that we work with animals. Not everything about an animal can be guaranteed or certified. Read through the seller's terms and conditions again to see if they offer some sort of guarantee regarding the situation you're experiencing. If they do not, then they are not obligated, even by moral standards, to do anything else for you. I have no knowledge of your situation, and am looking at this as an outsider with no inside knowledge of what happened between you or the seller.

Anyways, that's my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth.

And your solution as to what I should do about private messages between members along these lines is WHAT exactly?
 
I wasn't suggesting for you to do anything, Rich. I was just stating that to me, it looks like that's what the OP was trying to do. Unless the PMs are reported to you, there's nothing you can do.
 
If I may offer my opinion, what it looks like is happening here is an attempt to get a private one-sided BOI going here. This is just how it reads to me, but I see someone attempting to garner sympathy, and basically get people to PM you to find out who this "bad business person" is without offering them a chance to explain their side. There are many instances where a buyer believes they have been wronged, but an outside assessment from a third party with no bias or hand in the pot shows that there is no wrongdoing on the seller's behalf. The other thing to remember is that we work with animals. Not everything about an animal can be guaranteed or certified. Read through the seller's terms and conditions again to see if they offer some sort of guarantee regarding the situation you're experiencing. If they do not, then they are not obligated, even by moral standards, to do anything else for you. I have no knowledge of your situation, and am looking at this as an outsider with no inside knowledge of what happened between you or the seller.

Anyways, that's my $0.02. Take it for what it's worth.
That's exactly how I read it, Robbie. While I can have sympathy for someone who feels they have been wronged, the original post in this thread looked a little bit attention-seeking to me personally. If they have a genuine problem they can take it to the BOI
 
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