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Compare these two (2) WC cornsnakes.

John Albrecht

John Albrecht

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This is a picture of a WC male from Jasper Cnty, SC and a WC male from Franklin Cnty, FL.

Isn't the difference amazing? I have been wanting to start a line of really dark animals that aren't het for anything and I think I finally found the right male to begin with. Now I need an adequately dark female. Anybody got one for me?
 

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I have to wonder how much of that is genetic and how much of it is a result of being out in the sun. (Do the captive offspring of such dark snakes stay that dark, too?)
 
which one is which?

I would assume it goes left to right, so the lighter one would be from SC and the darker from FL?

CZ
 
Well Mr. SerpWidgets

If the darkening is a result of sun exposure then it should go away after spending a while indoors right?

I guess we'll see by next year.
 
Hi John,
I'm quessing that the Jasper corn is not an Okeetee or you would have said so. If you have any updated pics. of the Okeetees you caught last year, Please post them for us all to enjoy. Did you try breeding the okeetees yet?
Edit--- I was just thinking it would be cool to breed the dark one to a a snow to find out how much red is under there and how dark the anerys would be in the following generation.
 
I have two dark corns from my local area but the darkest is the female, heres a photo. The photo did lighten her up a bit.
 

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hehe

Actually Jason, that is an Okeetee locale cornsnake. I didn't mention it previously because it wasn't relevent to the discussion.'
But now that we are talking about it notice how that snake does not have the typical dark borders. More like a hypo look.
 
Don't mention a new kind of hypo. Rich Z. will be hounding you, trying to get in on it. It is nice to see a real Okeetee. I wish you would post more Okeetee pics. I understand that was not the purpuse of your post here.
 
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I can guarantee you that nobody gets hounded more than Rich Z. Every cornsnake breeder wanna-be tries to make like they invented Lavender or something else that Rich originated.
 
do they?

What is a cornsnake breeder wanna be? I have never really seen anyone claiming that they have originated something that Rich has. Much of my stock is from Serpenco and I always pretty much try and give Rich his Kudos when I can. I just think it a funny statement. People who breed corns on a smaller level are cornsnake breeder wannabes? I think you should clean that statement up a little. Its a little too broad. Thats just my opinion.
 
wanna-bees

I use that phrase sometimes, "snake breeder wannabees" to describe people who try so hard to be a "big guy" when they'e just small scale little guys like most of us :)
 
ok. maybe it was too broad a statement. i was thinking of a particular breeder that tried to claim that they originated the lavendar line and a couple of others over the years that have also claimed to originate this-or-that when it was clearly done years before.

and yes i got 1 small clutch of locality Okeetee's incubating now. the father is the animal in the picture above.
 
I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. Rich, often talks about hypos and how there are so many verieties out there and in his own collection that it gives him a lot of trouble. So I was joking that he would want more.No disrespect intended toward Rich at all. I have as much respect for him as I do for anyone in the reptile world.
 
Re: Well Mr. SerpWidgets

John Albrecht said:
If the darkening is a result of sun exposure then it should go away after spending a while indoors right?

I guess we'll see by next year.
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Dunno about that. I have freckles from sun exposure and they are permanent. ;)

I probably should have widened the scope of my statement to say that there are probably a lot of "environmental factors" (basically anything that is not genetic) that could affect the "darkness" of a cornsnake. Removing the snake from the wild (after the fact) may or may not change things.

I'm not going to say it's one way or the other with cornsnakes... just that I think it is a possibility, and it's something we should keep in mind, especially if the offspring don't come out as expected.

I hope that there would be genetic factors we could use to "darken" corns, especially for those who love the really dark pewters.

IMO the best way of exploring it would be breeding some of these dark corns to each other to see what comes out.

My gut feeling is that they will not be that dark when raised in captivity. (That is, IMO there are probably both genetic and environmental factors involved in many of these "dark" wild-caught snakes.)
 
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