Curious question...het motley?

[Cegninedorf]

Ok, while I did pay attention during the Genetics section of Biology in high school & I even took a class earlier this year on Genetics for Middle School Teachers, I'm aware that while I may have brown eyes, it's unknown if I'm het for blue eyes unless I actually breed & play the game of Genetics Roulette. However, knowing that...please let me ask this (without burning me, please!): I *think* that two of my snakes may be het for motley because the start of the pattern on their dorsal side looks as if the pattern may have "wanted" to go in that direction, but changed after a bit and continued in the normal pattern, along with belly scales. I also think that they may be het for motley because their some of their siblings also showed this trait...

Anyone ever notice anything like that & then breed the snake and find it to be het for motley, even if there weren't siblings that showed the trait?

Hmm, or, I'll just have to breed those two (male is a lavender, female is charcoal) in a couple of years & see what happens...

ShugaBoog, lavender:

Hyetti, charcoal:

Thanks! :cheers:

 

[Nanci]

Lots of normal patterned corns have a few round incomplete bands before the pattern changes and the bands become rectangular and connect with the side pattern. To me it seems like more are like that than not. (Or maybe it's more correct to say the saddles touch each other proximally, and then split apart distally).

 

[ForkedTung]

Like Nanci said, It's normal for a "normal" to have the motley pattern for up to about 1/3 of the front of the snake. Now there are some Motleys that don't have fully spotted dorsal patterns ( ones that do are known as Hurricanes mots) and one of the ways to check for the genetics there would be to look for and find a clear ( no checkering ) belly. Other than that I am not aware of any "markers" for het motley.
PS)Your charcoal has awesome colors!!!

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

As for markers, I'm not sure that there are any definite ones. There are many snakes that have connected dorsal patterns that are not het and many that are het that do not have connected dorsal patterns. I don't think there is a direct correlation. Now, it's quite possible that yours are in fact het, but I wouldn't call it based on "clues".

Now there are some Motleys that don't have fully spotted dorsal patterns ( ones that do are known as Hurricanes mots)

Not quite. Hurricane mots have strong/bold coloring around their spots that gives the impression of a hurricane. The spot would be the eye of the storm and the color around are the arms.

Here's a great example: http://www.cornsnakes.net/gallery.php?catid=2&id=61

 

[ForkedTung]

As for markers, I'm not sure that there are any definite ones. There are many snakes that have connected dorsal patterns that are not het and many that are het that do not have connected dorsal patterns. I don't think there is a direct correlation. Now, it's quite possible that yours are in fact het, but I wouldn't call it based on "clues".



Not quite. Hurricane mots have strong/bold coloring around their spots that gives the impression of a hurricane. The spot would be the eye of the storm and the color around are the arms.

Here's a great example: http://www.cornsnakes.net/gallery.php?catid=2&id=61

Hmmm... I didn't know that? So in addition to spots down the entire dorsal area, there needs to be " strong/bold" coloring around around the spots, Is this correct? Is the coloring supposed to be darker then?
Also am I correct about the clear belly ?

 

[wade]

To say that your snakes may be het motley because they are showing a little of the motley look would imply that the motley allele is codominant to the normal allele. I don't think that is the case. No one has ever show that.

 

[Blue Apple Herps]

Hmmm... I didn't know that? So in addition to spots down the entire dorsal area, there needs to be " strong/bold" coloring around around the spots, Is this correct? Is the coloring supposed to be darker then?
Also am I correct about the clear belly ?

Yes, the best hurricane motleys have a strong contrast between the spots and the area surrounding them so that the "hurricane" pattern 'pops' even more.

Correct. Clear belly is part of the homozygous version of the gene. Now there are some exceptions. I know that with banded motleys and apparently sunkissed motleys, there can be a couple of stray belly checks, even though they are homozygous motley. But for the most part, clear bellies are there.

 

[tbtusk]

My mom loves admiring snake bellies, rather than dorsal patches, and so we've seen the bellies of all my snakes many times over. Although I only have had about 17 snakes to base this off, I think for some het motley can cause the same sort of belly markings that het diffused does. I'm pretty sceptical about my own idea here, but about half of my hatchlings, which were all 50% het motley, showed a white line down the middle of their belly which was especially pronounced in the second half. One of my adults is het stripe and shows similar markings. Another is het motely, and again shows a bit of separation down the middle of his belly. just an idea.

I'm pretty sure i have seen this discussed breifly elsewhere and the concencus was that this was not an acurate way to check het motleys, but i figured I'd put out my observations.

 

[Velvet]

I have one or two "Notleys"... :rofl:

This is my caramel het hypo girl, she looks more motley than some actual motleys I have hatched out but she has a loudly checkered belly. lol It is perhaps worth mentioning that she is a possible het motley...

My other motleyish looking one is my Ultramel...though it is not as obvious as it is in Chopstick (caramel)'s case. Incidentally, she is also poss. het motley...lol

 

[Cegninedorf]

I have one or two "Notleys"... :rofl:

This is my caramel het hypo girl, she looks more motley than some actual motleys I have hatched out but she has a loudly checkered belly. lol It is perhaps worth mentioning that she is a possible het motley...

My other motleyish looking one is my Ultramel...though it is not as obvious as it is in Chopstick (caramel)'s case. Incidentally, she is also poss. het motley...lol

"Notleys"...interesting! I like it...

Incidentally, I just noticed this morning (and I wish my camera was charged!) when I went to feed Hyetti that the very first small dot on her neck is now opening & "melding" with the lighter grey on her sides...I think that she'll have a bit of a zigzag pattern there, eventually. Her sister, Zya, has a bit of zigzagging going on elsewhere, too...and their sister, who I don't own, is a full-blown charcoal motley, so I suspect that my girls may be poss het motley, as well. *fingers crossed*

 

[Piper]

I have one or two "Notleys"... :rofl:

I LOVE that term, lol!!1 :rofl:

 

[ForkedTung]

I bought a notley het motley...turned out to be a motley but looks like a notley. So in short: the notley het motley IS a motley looks notley but is not notley rather motley....understand?:crazy01:

 

[JanuaryLove]

I bought a notley het motley...turned out to be a motley but looks like a notley. So in short: the notley het motley IS a motley looks notley but is not notley rather motley....understand?:crazy01:

That is so funny!

 

[JanuaryLove]

I have one or two "Notleys"... :rofl:

This is my caramel het hypo girl, she looks more motley than some actual motleys I have hatched out but she has a loudly checkered belly. lol It is perhaps worth mentioning that she is a possible het motley...

My other motleyish looking one is my Ultramel...though it is not as obvious as it is in Chopstick (caramel)'s case. Incidentally, she is also poss. het motley...lol

Ok...I am confused. I have a notley that looks like a motley, but has the same colors as your notley. But they said she is a caramel...here is a pic. Please help me id. Is she a charcoal or caramel? I think mine maybe lighter?!

 

[tbtusk]

Thats a caramel. Charcoals have a darker color with nearly no yellow color, and darker black saddles. You snake will look more yellow as it grows older. All corns gain more yellow coloration as they grow older. Caramel notley.

 

[JanuaryLove]

Thank you...