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Ebola: It's In The US Now
- Thread starter Nanci
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Chip
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒ&
Isn't World Net Daily a conspiracy site like infowars? Either way, I hope this doesn't turn out to be true. Hopefully with the higher body temperature and insane panel of antibodies dogs have, they wouldn't be carriers for long, anyway. When we were talking about bats yesterday, the thought of other animals, especially primates becoming infected crossed my mind. If something like rats could become infectious, this could easily become a plague the likes of which we have never seen. I wonder if they will start burning corpses in these areas?
Nanci
Alien Lover
Well, there actually have been some studies on dogs in ebola outbreak areas. They can apparently be infected, but not affected. Here's a study.
Nanci
Alien Lover
So far, the suspected ebola cases in Hawaii, Utah, Toronto, Georgia and Kentucky have proved to be negative. There are suspected cases in DC, Virginia, and Sarasota Florida. This is a link with updates on the suspected cases.
vetusvates
Gamaliel's Principle
Nanci, thanks again for more links. I, like Rich, think knowledge is power.
Your links are always pertinent and scientific.
I would suggest to anyone following this thread...to read all links. There is a lot said in them that is not expounded on in the thread, per se, for reasons of redundancy.
Note : the former of the above two links/references also refers to 'human contact' and aerosol droplets. I.e., there are people infected who have had no obvious intimate contact with infected individuals nor fluids. Similar to the doctors and health care professionals who have been mentioned...who still somehow have been infected.
Nanci
Alien Lover
A very good article about how the current outbreak started:
It began in a village deep in the forests of southeastern Guinea, when a 2-year-old boy named Emile developed a mysterious illness.
Nothing, it seemed, could stem the child's fever and vomiting, and he died within days. A week later, the illness killed his 3-year-old sister, then his mother, grandmother and a house guest.
The grandmother consulted a nurse before she died. Friends and family gathered for her funeral, and soon the illness was spreading down rutted dirt tracks to other villages and towns.
Local health officials were alarmed, but it would take nearly three months from the boy's death in December to identify the culprit: the dreaded Ebola virus. By then, the lethal virus had reached Guinea's bustling capital, Conakry, and there were suspected cases across the border in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
It began in a village deep in the forests of southeastern Guinea, when a 2-year-old boy named Emile developed a mysterious illness.
Nothing, it seemed, could stem the child's fever and vomiting, and he died within days. A week later, the illness killed his 3-year-old sister, then his mother, grandmother and a house guest.
The grandmother consulted a nurse before she died. Friends and family gathered for her funeral, and soon the illness was spreading down rutted dirt tracks to other villages and towns.
Local health officials were alarmed, but it would take nearly three months from the boy's death in December to identify the culprit: the dreaded Ebola virus. By then, the lethal virus had reached Guinea's bustling capital, Conakry, and there were suspected cases across the border in Liberia and Sierra Leone.
diamondlil
Mice! They taste so nice!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...red-person-contract-virus-outside-Africa.html
Just read this....
A Spanish nurse who treated an Ebola victim in Madrid has become the first person in the world to contract the deadly virus outside of Africa.
The 44-year-old is said to have spent the last 15 years working at Madrid's Carlos III Hospital, where the two Spanish missionaries infected with Ebola died.
The woman, who was married, was part of the team that treated Spanish priest Manuel Garcia Viejo, who was brought back from Africa last month so that he could be treated for the deadly virus.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tract-virus-outside-Africa.html#ixzz3FOpAwxxX
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Just read this....
A Spanish nurse who treated an Ebola victim in Madrid has become the first person in the world to contract the deadly virus outside of Africa.
The 44-year-old is said to have spent the last 15 years working at Madrid's Carlos III Hospital, where the two Spanish missionaries infected with Ebola died.
The woman, who was married, was part of the team that treated Spanish priest Manuel Garcia Viejo, who was brought back from Africa last month so that he could be treated for the deadly virus.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tract-virus-outside-Africa.html#ixzz3FOpAwxxX
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MysticExotics
(formerly NWHeather)
And now Harborview Medical Center, in Seattle, is offering to take in Ebola patients. Wonderful.
The sky might not be falling, but if people who should be in charge and have the ability to deal with a highly infectious disease becoming a pandemic don't get their heads out of their butts, some people are going to die who wouldn't need to. SERIOUS mistakes and signs or rampant stupidity are being made with something that needs to be treated much more seriously than it apparently is.
Y2K was a complete fallacy that had no basis of facts to support it. Ebola, however, will likely NEVER be a laughing matter.
This is a rather interesting thread I found on another site -> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1035478/pg1
This real time map might be interesting to keep an eye on -> http://www.liveebolamap.com/
ashleynicole
New member
Ok..
I am a Registered Nurse. Nobody has given me any training on how to care for an ebola patient. So if there is an ebola patient in my hospital I will not be taking care of them. The CDC better send their own nurses in to care for them. I've been trained to take care of patients with tuberculosis, mrsa, vre, etc... but people caring for ebola patients have to wear space suits.
Why aren't the hospitals aggressively training their staff how to care for someone with this virus??? Because the government has their head up their butts trying to downplay this so people don't freak out and panic when they should be initiating awareness as to how virulent it is.
I am a Registered Nurse. Nobody has given me any training on how to care for an ebola patient. So if there is an ebola patient in my hospital I will not be taking care of them. The CDC better send their own nurses in to care for them. I've been trained to take care of patients with tuberculosis, mrsa, vre, etc... but people caring for ebola patients have to wear space suits.
Why aren't the hospitals aggressively training their staff how to care for someone with this virus??? Because the government has their head up their butts trying to downplay this so people don't freak out and panic when they should be initiating awareness as to how virulent it is.
ashleynicole
New member
"Although coughing and sneezing are not common symptoms of Ebola, if a symptomatic patient with Ebola coughs or sneezes on someone, and saliva or mucus come into contact with that person’s eyes, nose or mouth, these fluids may transmit the disease."
It also lives 4 hours or more on surfaces. Just like colds and flus!
It also lives 4 hours or more on surfaces. Just like colds and flus!
How complex and time consuming is the test for Ebola?
With the flu season bearing down on us, can every medical facility realistically give an Ebola test to everyone coming in with "flu-like" symptoms? Can they afford not to?
Suppose YOU come down with "flu-like" symptoms? What are you going to do? Tough it out and just assume you only have the flu or a cold? Or go to your doctor and get checked out, just in case?
Me? If I feel that I have not likely been even remotely in contact with someone with Ebola, I'd rather stay at home than to run the risk of going to some medical facility where one of those people sitting in the waiting room sneezing and coughing MIGHT actually have Ebola.
When asked recently by a doctor's aide why I don't come in for tests and checkups more often, I told her that I stay away from a doctor's office because that's where many of the sick and contagious people hang out.
Oh, and people, if you feel sick, you aren't doing anyone any favors by going to work or going to public places where you are going to be spreading around germs to other people. Stay the heck home! I absolutely HATE going to the grocery store and having the cashier sneezing and sniffling while bagging up our groceries.
With the flu season bearing down on us, can every medical facility realistically give an Ebola test to everyone coming in with "flu-like" symptoms? Can they afford not to?
Suppose YOU come down with "flu-like" symptoms? What are you going to do? Tough it out and just assume you only have the flu or a cold? Or go to your doctor and get checked out, just in case?
Me? If I feel that I have not likely been even remotely in contact with someone with Ebola, I'd rather stay at home than to run the risk of going to some medical facility where one of those people sitting in the waiting room sneezing and coughing MIGHT actually have Ebola.
When asked recently by a doctor's aide why I don't come in for tests and checkups more often, I told her that I stay away from a doctor's office because that's where many of the sick and contagious people hang out.
Oh, and people, if you feel sick, you aren't doing anyone any favors by going to work or going to public places where you are going to be spreading around germs to other people. Stay the heck home! I absolutely HATE going to the grocery store and having the cashier sneezing and sniffling while bagging up our groceries.
Nanci
Alien Lover
DALLAS (CN) - Texas wants a second patient "reasonably suspected of being infected" with Ebola put into protective custody in Dallas.
Dr. David L. Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, filed a motion for a temporary order of protective custody Monday in Dallas County Court.
The unidentified patient, sued as "M.W.L.," is "reasonably suspected of being infected with a communicable disease (Ebola) that presents an immediate threat to public health," the 4-page motion states.
"Further, movant has determined that proposed patient is a threat to himself or others if not immediately restrained. Further, sources charged with monitoring the proposed patient M.W.L. have observed the proposed patient failing or refusing to follow the written order of the Texas Department of State Health Services by leaving the premises of a medical facility contrary to medical directives, without permission and surreptitiously."
Lakey claims that the proposed patient "meets the criteria authorized by the court" to issue such an order.
"The sworn representations of the applicant, who is a credible person, state that the proposed patient is reasonably suspected of being infected with the communicable disease, Ebola, that presents a threat to public health; has failed or refused to follow the written or verbal orders of the Commissioner; and presents a substantial risk of harm to himself or others if no immediately restrained," according to the motion, filed Monday at 2 p.m.
Dr. David L. Lakey, commissioner of the Texas Department of State Health Services, filed a motion for a temporary order of protective custody Monday in Dallas County Court.
The unidentified patient, sued as "M.W.L.," is "reasonably suspected of being infected with a communicable disease (Ebola) that presents an immediate threat to public health," the 4-page motion states.
"Further, movant has determined that proposed patient is a threat to himself or others if not immediately restrained. Further, sources charged with monitoring the proposed patient M.W.L. have observed the proposed patient failing or refusing to follow the written order of the Texas Department of State Health Services by leaving the premises of a medical facility contrary to medical directives, without permission and surreptitiously."
Lakey claims that the proposed patient "meets the criteria authorized by the court" to issue such an order.
"The sworn representations of the applicant, who is a credible person, state that the proposed patient is reasonably suspected of being infected with the communicable disease, Ebola, that presents a threat to public health; has failed or refused to follow the written or verbal orders of the Commissioner; and presents a substantial risk of harm to himself or others if no immediately restrained," according to the motion, filed Monday at 2 p.m.
Nanci
Alien Lover
From Newsweek
Thomas Ksiazek, a professor at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston who has done extensive research on Ebola, says that testing is done using a process called real-time RT-PCR, or reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction.
In this technique, doctors or medical personnel take samples of blood from a patient. They then add an enzyme to convert RNA found in the blood into DNA (RNA is a chemical messenger that helps turn DNA’s “instructions” into proteins). Next, a “primer” is added that targets a string of genetic code unique to the Ebola virus. The concoction is then run through a PCR machine, wherein that strand of Ebola genetic material is amplified, or copied, many times (if it’s there, that is. If it’s not, nothing happens and the test returns a negative.)
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Finally, a chemical probe is added that binds to these snippets of DNA and alerts the scientists to the presence of the Ebola virus, Ksiazek tells Newsweek. The whole process can take as little as three to four hours.
In the case of the man in Dallas, authorities initially didn’t connect the symptoms he presented with on September 26 to his recent visit to Liberia. When he returned to the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital for a second time on September 28, he’d been sick for four days—certainly long enough for the PCR test to return a positive result, Ksiazek says.
In fact, the PCR test is sensitive enough that by the time most people show up with symptoms in a hospital, it will be able to detect the virus, says Ksiazek, who is a former head of the CDC’s Special Pathogens Branch and has dealt with the containment of viruses like Ebola on a daily basis.
It should be noted that hospitals do not themselves test for Ebola, at least not in the United States at this time. They rather send samples when deemed appropriate to a local facility participating in the CDC's Laboratory Response Network. In the current texas case, hospital workers sent samples to the State Health Laboratory in Austin.
PCR machines are roughly twice the size of a typical desktop PC, and can be moved around relatively easily, though they do cost tens of thousands of dollars depending on the model, Ksiazek notes. These machines are present at some labs in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, but they require electricity to run—and in those countries, that often means unreliable gas-fueled generators. This fact, and the general lack of funding in some situations, has hampered efforts to get the outbreak under control, he says.
A technique called ELISA can also be used to diagnose Ebola, but it takes longer and also requires at least 100 times more individual viruses for an accurate result to be obtained than RT-PCR—meaning it is less sensitive, and doesn’t catch the virus as soon as the latter technique, Ksiazek says. The PCR technique was first widely used to diagnose Ebola in 2000.
Several groups of researchers are working on even faster, more portable tests, using disposable materials resembling home pregnancy tests, Science magazine reported last week. Two of the diagnostics will be tested in the coming weeks.
Thomas Ksiazek, a professor at the University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston who has done extensive research on Ebola, says that testing is done using a process called real-time RT-PCR, or reverse transcription polymerase chain reaction.
In this technique, doctors or medical personnel take samples of blood from a patient. They then add an enzyme to convert RNA found in the blood into DNA (RNA is a chemical messenger that helps turn DNA’s “instructions” into proteins). Next, a “primer” is added that targets a string of genetic code unique to the Ebola virus. The concoction is then run through a PCR machine, wherein that strand of Ebola genetic material is amplified, or copied, many times (if it’s there, that is. If it’s not, nothing happens and the test returns a negative.)
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Finally, a chemical probe is added that binds to these snippets of DNA and alerts the scientists to the presence of the Ebola virus, Ksiazek tells Newsweek. The whole process can take as little as three to four hours.
In the case of the man in Dallas, authorities initially didn’t connect the symptoms he presented with on September 26 to his recent visit to Liberia. When he returned to the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital for a second time on September 28, he’d been sick for four days—certainly long enough for the PCR test to return a positive result, Ksiazek says.
In fact, the PCR test is sensitive enough that by the time most people show up with symptoms in a hospital, it will be able to detect the virus, says Ksiazek, who is a former head of the CDC’s Special Pathogens Branch and has dealt with the containment of viruses like Ebola on a daily basis.
It should be noted that hospitals do not themselves test for Ebola, at least not in the United States at this time. They rather send samples when deemed appropriate to a local facility participating in the CDC's Laboratory Response Network. In the current texas case, hospital workers sent samples to the State Health Laboratory in Austin.
PCR machines are roughly twice the size of a typical desktop PC, and can be moved around relatively easily, though they do cost tens of thousands of dollars depending on the model, Ksiazek notes. These machines are present at some labs in Sierra Leone, Liberia and Guinea, but they require electricity to run—and in those countries, that often means unreliable gas-fueled generators. This fact, and the general lack of funding in some situations, has hampered efforts to get the outbreak under control, he says.
A technique called ELISA can also be used to diagnose Ebola, but it takes longer and also requires at least 100 times more individual viruses for an accurate result to be obtained than RT-PCR—meaning it is less sensitive, and doesn’t catch the virus as soon as the latter technique, Ksiazek says. The PCR technique was first widely used to diagnose Ebola in 2000.
Several groups of researchers are working on even faster, more portable tests, using disposable materials resembling home pregnancy tests, Science magazine reported last week. Two of the diagnostics will be tested in the coming weeks.