executive order 3/16/2012

[SnakeAround]

In cases of rape or incest, yes I fully support abortion. But in cases of "Oops! I guess I'm knocked up!", I don't support it at all. You tell me what's responsible about letting careless people terminate pregnancies just because they couldn't keep their legs shut.

Because careless people should not be hung up with the responsibility to raise a child. They are most probably not gonna be responsible within those nine months of pregnancy. Why should the child be a victim of that? Further, many adopted children develop emotional problems later in life. And, who says there will be enough people who want to adopt anyway? Science goes further and further to enable infertile couples to get babies of themselves anyway. Of course I'd recommend real sluts to stop slutting around, but I'm not sure if prohibiting abortion, so they end up with multiple children they have to take care of or give up for adoption is the best way to go for the children.

 

[SnakeAround]

Also, the interesting thing is it seems there's a lot of Republicans who have no idea how conception and contraception work. Like, they don't know how babies are made.

The idea that you need to take more birth control pills the more sex you have is amazing. Like, who believes this? Who honestly believes this? Who is that stupid?

Carinata, Arizona has passed legislation that protects doctors from prosecution if they withhold information from a pregnant woman concerning her unborn child if they believe that information might lead to an abortion. That is, a doctor can choose to not tell prospective parents that their child has a genetic condition or disease or other syndrome since someone might choose to abort that child and the law will protect the doctor from any repercussions that result from their failure to inform parents.

Also, they have passed legislation that allows employers to fire women if they use contraception for birth control purposes.

Wow, that is sooooo bad! Any woman should have the right to take her own decisions based on all information available themselves, not the doctor. Cannot believe this....And to be able to legally fire a woman for using contraceptives... how is the employer gonna know about that anyway? That is way private I hope? Ridiculous... and that is expressed mildly IMO.

 

[ratsncorns]

Its ok if they make abortion/contraceptives illegal, that just means I get more money the more kids I pop out and I can still spend that money on myself instead of them. They may end up in the states custody, but I dont care because I never wanted them to begin with.

 

[SnakeAround]

We live in the greatest country in the world.

No, I do Women can have abortions solely because they think it is the best thing to do and gay people are allowed to marry. And we canot be fired for anything medical at all, employers are not even allowed to ask what your medical problem is if you stay home ill. Only doctors hired by the employer can ask and are not allowed to tell the employer. But I do want to swap our weather for the Californian version.... :crazy02:

 

[Nova_C]

Wow, that is sooooo bad! Any woman should have the right to take her own decisions based on all information available themselves, not the doctor. Cannot believe this....And to be able to legally fire a woman for using contraceptives... how is the employer gonna know about that anyway? That is way private I hope? Ridiculous... and that is expressed mildly IMO.

I have to amend what I said - Arizona is working on passing this legislation; It hasn't passed yet.

If the health care the employee uses is through their employer, then this legislation will allow employers access to employee medical records so they can make sure the employee is following the employer's moral code.

 

[SnakeAround]

I have to amend what I said - Arizona is working on passing this legislation; It hasn't passed yet.

If the health care the employee uses is through their employer, then this legislation will allow employers access to employee medical records so they can make sure the employee is following the employer's moral code.

Om my God..... that is way scary, don't you think? It would also make it harder to find a job, since you have to avoid the employers with a moral code different than yours.... Why in the world would an employer only want to employ people who take care of their body the way they would? That is so short sighted I cannot even wrap my head around it...What is next? Employers telling employees they have to be vegetarian or can only eat eco food? Over here even insurance employees cannot look into your medical files. We believe that is a doctor prescribes a drug, it is medically necessary, insurances do not check wether you really have the disease it usually is prescribed for.

Is it possible to have an insurance other than through your work if your employer offers insurance? Is it way cheaper than a 'public' insurance?

 

[RobbiesCornField]

Is it possible to have an insurance other than through your work if your employer offers insurance? Is it way cheaper than a 'public' insurance?

For me and my partner, our medical, dental, and vision is about $100 per week through my employer. It would be at least twice that if I had the same plan without going through them. Sadly, insurance companies can charge pretty much whatever they want. If you can't afford it, too bad. :nope:

 

[BooBoo18]

In United States criminal law, probable cause is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to make an arrest, to conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest.

Probable cause is a stronger standard of evidence than reasonable suspicion. A reasonable suspicion is basically taking the totality of the facts and a reasonable person would say this is probably what happened. Reasonable suspicion is not enough to make an arrest but is enough to investigate further.

In order to get a conviction in court you would need to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

There are three different burdens of proof. Even though in the Florida case I am sure the first burden and maybe even the second has been proven. What would be the probability of proving the third level of beyond a reasonable doubt?

Anytime I am investigating a case I have to look at gathering enough information and evidence to cover proving my case beyond a reasonable doubt or the state's attorney will not take the case to court. Can I say the guy is guilty, well yeah I sure can, but its what I need to prove it in court that will have the last word. You can say he is guilty all you want but you got to prove it too.

We had a case where a husband and wife argued. She was leaving the house, he came up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. She fell to the floor and eventually died. OK well that is murder I would think and I am sure most everyone would think the same, but the coroner report listed she died of a heart attack and not from getting hit with the hammer. SA said we could not arrest him for murder, but we could arrest him for aggravated battery geesh....

 

[SnakeAround]

So to be able to pay for your insurance, you might have to get insurance through your employer, in Arizona that means your employer can look in your medical files to see if you live his moral code.... if the law passes. That would be terrible!

 

[BooBoo18]

Have you noticed your premiums going up but the insurance coverage is going down. My insurance from work does not cover what it used to the copays have gone up. I felt when they passed the health insurance bill they should have also looked at controlling the health care industry costs too.

 

[RobbiesCornField]

Have you noticed your premiums going up but the insurance coverage is going down. My insurance from work does not cover what it used to the copays have gone up. I felt when they passed the health insurance bill they should have also looked at controlling the health care industry costs too.

I did notice that on our last renewal through work. That's why I had to switch from our awesome PPO to an HMO; for the PPO, it was going to be about a $20 per week increase with the HMO staying a few dollars per week cheaper than what I was paying for the PPO. I went to pick up one prescription that used to be covered under my PPO the other day (with a $25 copay). Under the HMO, the copay was $140. :eek1: Add on that my other prescription (again, a $25 copay originally) that now has an almost $200 copay, and I'm paying almost as much per month for my prescriptions as I am for the coverage! When the doctor writes "Name brand medically necessary" on your prescription, I think the insurance agencies should give you the same copay they would for the generic. Fortunately, the generics are only $5 each. However, the formulas from any lab are so different that if I get a generic from one lab, it could cause horrific side effects. Which is why I wanted to avoid taking generics at all costs (but can't afford to, because I'm not independently wealthy).

 

[beautifullywild77]

In United States criminal law, probable cause is the standard by which an officer or agent of the law has the grounds to make an arrest, to conduct a personal or property search, or to obtain a warrant for arrest.

Probable cause is a stronger standard of evidence than reasonable suspicion. A reasonable suspicion is basically taking the totality of the facts and a reasonable person would say this is probably what happened. Reasonable suspicion is not enough to make an arrest but is enough to investigate further.

In order to get a conviction in court you would need to prove your case beyond a reasonable doubt. The standard that must be met by the prosecution's evidence in a criminal prosecution: that no other logical explanation can be derived from the facts except that the defendant committed the crime, thereby overcoming the presumption that a person is innocent until proven guilty.

There are three different burdens of proof. Even though in the Florida case I am sure the first burden and maybe even the second has been proven. What would be the probability of proving the third level of beyond a reasonable doubt?

Anytime I am investigating a case I have to look at gathering enough information and evidence to cover proving my case beyond a reasonable doubt or the state's attorney will not take the case to court. Can I say the guy is guilty, well yeah I sure can, but its what I need to prove it in court that will have the last word. You can say he is guilty all you want but you got to prove it too.

We had a case where a husband and wife argued. She was leaving the house, he came up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. She fell to the floor and eventually died. OK well that is murder I would think and I am sure most everyone would think the same, but the coroner report listed she died of a heart attack and not from getting hit with the hammer. SA said we could not arrest him for murder, but we could arrest him for aggravated battery geesh....

You said what I was trying to say. Thank you!

 

[Outcast]

but I'm not sure if prohibiting abortion, so they end up with multiple children they have to take care of or give up for adoption is the best way to go for the children.

Isn't this the way it used to be? And women kept dying because of shotty back door garage type work that left them permanently damaged? I personally would rather see them going to doctors that know what they are doing, than getting themselves killed because they went to someones garage and have a cloths hanger used on them...

I personally do not agree with most abortion, I think that using it as contraception is wrong. But, I understand why women would want it was a choice. I doubt I will ever be a completely pro-choice person, but I do believe that there is a place for abortion (and it most likely has to do with my religious upbringing and the affect I saw it had/is having on my brother and his wife).

Though, I do believe that women and men should be able to get themselves "fixed" if they want to, no matter what age. That is a choice that I will stand by, we have too many people on this planet as it is, and if that person ever decides that they want a child, they can adopt one of the many children that do not have parents. Though, most people who I know that want to be "fixed" do not ever want children anyways.

I say, do not force those who do not want children, to have children... Now, even if someone does get an Abortion (David this is for you) It is still a choice that they have to deal with their whole life. There are some people that it does not bother much, but, I know a couple of people who have had abortions, and the mental issues they have now are insane. And, it all goes back to their aborted children.

Also, one of the people I know is over 90 years old. She recently told the church what she had done and how it has haunted her ever since. But, she was 13 when she got pregnant and terrified about what would happen to her if people were to find out that she was pregnant.

I also knew a girl that was raped at 12 by her cousin, she kept the child and loves the child. She did not have an abortion, due to religious reasons, and has said that she would not even if she could go back and relive the nightmare.

 

[Carinata]

Aaron's stance is essentially my own. I believe if someone wants to be sterilized and not be able to have kids, they should be allowed to do it.

 

[Outcast]

Heck, I would go as far to say that some people should be required to be sterilized...LOL

 

[Lennycorn]

Heck, I would go as far to say that some people should be required to be sterilized...LOL

The goverment has....the mentally ill and handicapped!

So much for rights!!

 

[BooBoo18]

I don't think I would personally have an abortion myself. I am one that birth control failed and I got pregnant. I found out a week later that my husband had not been faithful and my marriage was over. I chose to have my son and do not regret it a bit. But I believe in a woman's right to make that choice. Choosing to have an abortion is a huge and emotional decision that is not a spur of the moment thing. I do not think many women would care to use it as a form of birth control.

 

[Outcast]

The goverment has....the mentally ill and handicapped!

So much for rights!!

I know plenty of mentally ill/"handicapped" people who are popping out children.

The people I was talking about are idiots that I see every day with 12 children from different fathers, and the fathers of said children, who are not around to care for their kids. I cannot stand seeing that, It gets my blood boiling to no end.

In my opinion, if you have a child Take Care of It! Do not run off with the next young piece you find. I don't care how old you are, you can be 13 or 50+ years old... Take responsibility for your child. I think that is why there are so many mental problems in kids who are adopted (someone stated earlier).. They have to get over the fact that their original parents did not want them, and that sucks.... One of my cousins was adopted by her stepfather, it took her years to get over the fact that her biodad did not want anything to do with her...

 

[SnakeAround]

I don't think I would personally have an abortion myself. I am one that birth control failed and I got pregnant. I found out a week later that my husband had not been faithful and my marriage was over. I chose to have my son and do not regret it a bit. But I believe in a woman's right to make that choice. Choosing to have an abortion is a huge and emotional decision that is not a spur of the moment thing. I do not think many women would care to use it as a form of birth control.

Agreed, also since there is the morning after pill too begin with.

 

[Lennycorn]

The goverment has....the mentally ill and handicapped!

So much for rights!!

I know plenty of mentally ill/"handicapped" people who are popping out children.

The people I was talking about are idiots that I see every day with 12 children from different fathers, and the fathers of said children, who are not around to care for their kids. I cannot stand seeing that, It gets my blood boiling to no end.

In my opinion, if you have a child Take Care of It! Do not run off with the next young piece you find. I don't care how old you are, you can be 13 or 50+ years old... Take responsibility for your child. I think that is why there are so many mental problems in kids who are adopted (someone stated earlier).. They have to get over the fact that their original parents did not want them, and that sucks.... One of my cousins was adopted by her stepfather, it took her years to get over the fact that her biodad did not want anything to do with her...

I was being a little devil and throwing that in. But they have and still do but now for better reason.

But...as you know if you didn't have sex till you where married this wouldn't be an issue!!

Back to the the mentally handicapped.

If they are of age...do they vote? If they pass they test, can they drive?