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executive order 3/16/2012

Shiari said:
It was completely irresponsible of you to have sex and be solely relying on contraceptives such as birth control or condoms.

Were you prepared to marry the girl and financially support her and the child, especially if the child had some sort of complication such as physical or mental impairment?
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If birth control and condoms failed, I would find a way to support that child no matter what. I would own up to it. I would sell my collection and go from there.
 
Is the girl ready to give up her life as well? To no longer be able to go through college, at least until the child is older? Is *she* financially prepared to have a child? Is she mentally prepared? Did either of you actually think about this before you went and had your fling? And how come you weren't telling *her* to keep her legs shut if she was irresponsible enough to be relying on birth control?
 
Shiari said:
Is the girl ready to give up her life as well? To no longer be able to go through college, at least until the child is older? Is *she* financially prepared to have a child? Is she mentally prepared? Did either of you actually think about this before you went and had your fling? And how come you weren't telling *her* to keep her legs shut if she was irresponsible enough to be relying on birth control?
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I would prefer for you not to badger into my sex life. But I'll take a minute out of my day to explain to a stranger on the interwebz to explain myself (again).

My stance on abortion, is that it shouldn't be used as a method of birth control. You never did address my statistic stating over half of women that had abortion had had 1 or more previous abortions. That's my issue. I can sort of understand one, but when you're having multiple abortions, I just think that's irresponsible.
 
And if the birth control keeps failing? I note you continued to avoid the other statistic that over half of women getting an abortion are doing so because of a failure of a form of contraceptive. If there's a 1% or even 0.1% failure rate.... well, that equals a few "oopsy" pregnancies over a lifetime.

And why can't I badger into your sex life... when you want to badger into other peoples' sex lives?
 
Shiari said:
And if the birth control keeps failing? I note you continued to avoid the other statistic that over half of women getting an abortion are doing so because of a failure of a form of contraceptive. If there's a 1% or even 0.1% failure rate.... well, that equals a few "oopsy" pregnancies over a lifetime.

And why can't I badger into your sex life... when you want to badger into other peoples' sex lives?
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Yep. I saw that statistic. And I have no debate for it, besides arguments I've previously stated. When I get a girl pregnant, then you can badger into my sex life, but I'll be sure to let you know when that happens!
 
But you said it was irresponsible to rely on preventative measures to protect against pregnancy. And that it's irresponsible to correct that mistake even if you are either unable or unfit to be a parent, or even simply don't want to be a parent. Therefore, you are butting in to other peoples' sex lives.

The ONLY way to reconcile that is to be completely celibate, which is patently absurd.
 
Shiari said:
But you said it was irresponsible to rely on preventative measures to protect against pregnancy. And that it's irresponsible to correct that mistake even if you are either unable or unfit to be a parent, or even simply don't want to be a parent. Therefore, you are butting in to other peoples' sex lives.

The ONLY way to reconcile that is to be completely celibate, which is patently absurd.
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Again, you're picking my sentences apart and re-wording them to your own liking. Sorry, this is a lost cause.
 
*sings* Whistle while you quote... doodeedoodeedoo....

I think that using birth control, is fine. My problem comes when I see people thinking birth control is the be all and end all. It does fail, and at that point people need to take some personal responsibility.
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So you're in favor of women that sleep around, get knocked up, and get abortions. Cool!
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I said women that carelessly sleep around with no regard to the consenquences are bad.
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In cases of rape or incest, yes I fully support abortion. But in cases of "Oops! I guess I'm knocked up!", I don't support it at all. You tell me what's responsible about letting careless people terminate pregnancies just because they couldn't keep their legs shut.
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I'm sure I could find more for you.
 
I guess I wasn't making myself clear. I have an issue when people are using abortion as a sole means of birth control. Things like drunken one night stands, etc. I should have clarified.
 
So, you do not mind then abortions where the people DID use birth control, because they are unable, unfit, or lack desire to become parents and did have an 'oops' pregnancy?
 
The only person though who is right to judge that... is the woman who has become pregnant. It's her body, and her life.
 
It was requested and it was done...

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and for fun... the future President of the United States... my son..
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Carinata, roughly how many abortions are the result of reckless behaviour? Clearly the number is not insignificant since you keep on going back to that point so you've got to have a study, or some data to cite to support the idea that a significant number of abortions are because of irresponsible behaviour. That data would be really useful as a means of understanding your position.
 
Just wanted to point out something about how this thread has developed....

It's a really good example of how people can be distracted. The OP was about the removal of general rights and the imposition of State control of basic requirements for survival.

One moral issue has now taken over and everyone is discussing that instead (a valid discussion, but nonetheless....).

This is how significant debates can be diverted away from the core issues and legislation passed without comment. Just get people fired up enough about a side-issue and away you go.

If we can do it to ourselves, imagine how well we can be manipulated by a State machine out to engineer the situation.

Keep an eye on those politicians and beware of being manipulated by the strategic deployment of moral outrage. Be careful out there.
 
Nova_C said:
Carinata, roughly how many abortions are the result of reckless behaviour? Clearly the number is not insignificant since you keep on going back to that point so you've got to have a study, or some data to cite to support the idea that a significant number of abortions are because of irresponsible behaviour. That data would be really useful as a means of understanding your position.
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I know that abortions are a pretty traumatizing procedure, so I'd think that if someone had an abortion once for any reason. They would avoid another at all costs. I mean anyone can tell the doctor they were using a contraceptive, but medical records don't lie. I'm not saying women are liars. I'm saying everyone lies (all genders).
 
It's true that these issues are a side-step... But somehow it makes me that much more impatient with the slow rate of growth for so many civil liberties in this country. We actually get hung up on discussing people's equal right to make decisions for themselves. (And by 'discussing', I mean some people feel inclined to focus on other people, and what liberties they should and should not have over their own bodies).

Which is why I find any anti-Obama sentiments just poorly placed. Even disregarding all political preferences, it's evident that these unequal views on the rights of women, gays, minorities, the disabled, etc... are costing those running against Obama many votes. If I were to only be able to choose between the members of the GOP, I would elect not to vote. Simply because the #1 priority of mine is ignored, which is a deep understanding of the world as individuals. No one can properly lead if they lack the ability to identify individually with it's people, because no one is going to quietly be ignored in a land that claims to be 'free'. And the generalizations by such as Rush Limbaugh, coupled with the support of almost an entire party on these issues, is just leaving half of this country too busy to answer the door for 2012. We're in a society that in 20yrs is going to be much, much different, and people want to get these petty issues out of the way in order to address real concerns that are also at the door-step.
 
Michael, we just had a talk about in government! I brought this up, and it was actually very well received.

Social issues are very important. I have absolutly no doubt in my mind they will become bigger issues further down the line, but our country is crippled economically, we've got massive debt, the middle east is in turmoil, and we're worrying about abortion and gay marriage? Those are important issues and I'm not downplaying their importance. This election cannot be about social issues, we need to focus on rebuilding our country, our credit, and our economy. President Obama has been terrible for this country. He's increased our debt like no other President, further crippled our economy, wasted tax payer dollars, and taken away our rights.

Now as I stated, the above social issues mentioned are important and need to be addressed, but we need to focus on rebuilding our country so we actually have a country to debate social issues in. The GOPs have some pretty crappy candidates this time around, but they're all better than Obama. I would elect an orange juice can before I voted for Obama. This election will be decided based on economic issues, and that's what the focus needs to be.
 
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