executive order 3/16/2012

[Carinata]

Don't forget Spike Lee tweeting the wrong address thinking it was Zimmermans, when I fact it was a womans house who could be in danger from a mob looking for justices?

Yep, forgot that one!

 

[beautifullywild77]

I am in now way trying to downplay the horrific fact that a young unarmed man was murdered. But I just don't think race had anything to do with it. Just my opinion. I do not like the fact that groups of people are pulling the race card. Many of whom are calling Zimmermen a cracker, he was hispanic. By American's own definition.

 

[Michael823]

Carinata, I find that photo disgusting. For you to compare Trayvon's photo as a mug-shot is exactly the type of ignorance that identifies itself as racist (you can agree/disagree/or cry and pout, but it is what it is). I find you far too un-becoming of a mature human being to waste any more time responding to you, and for your sake, I hope you grow up and learn how to use your mind independently from your behind.

As for the "race card" statements... again, not only is it wrong to say that there is such a thing, but also completely outside the point. I'm also curious why so many (as I've observed) defensive people (who happen to be white) using the term "race-card"... last I checked, Zimmerman didn't ask for that form of 'identity' (as considered by those with closed minds) before he killed Trayvon (based on prejudice).

I'm not out to share 'opinions'. There's a side that has much more evidence and fact than the other, and I'm simply suggesting that people use common sense to see that evidence. Racism is still very alive, and because of it, Trayvon Martin is dead. I really see no need for people to get defensive on behalf of this fact, and I find it only more affirming that this is a big factor in this case based on the complete cover up (and lack of an arrest) on behalf of the police.

 

[Carinata]

What evidence do you have that point to racism being the reason for this incident?

 

[Carinata]

Carinata, I find that photo disgusting. For you to compare Trayvon's photo as a mug-shot is exactly the type of ignorance that identifies itself as racist (you can agree/disagree/or cry and pout, but it is what it is). I find you far too un-becoming of a mature human being to waste any more time responding to you, and for your sake, I hope you grow up and learn how to use your mind independently from your behind.

As for the "race card" statements... again, not only is it wrong to say that there is such a thing, but also completely outside the point. I'm also curious why so many (as I've observed) defensive people (who happen to be white) using the term "race-card"... last I checked, Zimmerman didn't ask for that form of 'identity' (as considered by those with closed minds) before he killed Trayvon (based on prejudice).

I'm not out to share 'opinions'. There's a side that has much more evidence and fact than the other, and I'm simply suggesting that people use common sense to see that evidence. Racism is still very alive, and because of it, Trayvon Martin is dead. I really see no need for people to get defensive on behalf of this fact, and I find it only more affirming that this is a big factor in this case based on the complete cover up (and lack of an arrest) on behalf of the police.

How is that photo disgusting? It's ironic if I do say so myself.

 

[beautifullywild77]

I am not defensive. Yes racism is still alive. But it comes from every race out there. Not just "white". The race card might not be the best term but what would you call it? Right now I see more racism coming from the black community then anywhere else. But because I have light skin that makes me white and there for its racist of me to see or point out that race is being played horribly in this case? I am dealing my with niece being called the N word at her school. Believe me I know racism is alive in this country and it starts at a very young age. Racism is a learned behavior.

You have shared your opinion many times. Are you an investigator, having you seen police reports or the investigation notes from the States Dept? Were we eye witnesses to the incident? We don't have all the facts. As of right now there is not enough evidence to make an arrest not just according to the local police but the states department as well. How can you arrest someone who invoked his rights by the "Stand your ground" law? They haven't found evidences to prove he was wrong or an arrest would of been made. How is that wrong? I ask again how is he dead because of racism? He is dead because a vigilante took his life in cold blood.

I believe Zimmerman killed Martin in cold blood. But again that is my opinion based on what I have read through the media.

 

[beautifullywild77]

I have nephew who is constantly saying he is treated differently in our family because he is black. Where did he learn that? From the media. From black leaders like Spike Lee and the Black Panther's. He throws out that comment to get a rise out of people because it does just that. He calls me his favorite white aunt.

We grew up with a very racist father. If I was racist I would of disowned my sister and nephews along with my adoptive brother and his children.

Honestly, IMHO I do not see this as a race issue but just what it is. A vigilante that appointed himself to neighborhood watch captain. He followed a young man who believed was up to no good. He went against the advice of the operator and confronted this young man. What happened during the confrontation I don't know. The man claims self defense. I claim BS. The result was horrific and a unarmed young man died because of the stupidity of the man.

 

[Outcast]

I have a question... If this was a gated community, and Zimmerman did not recognize the kid. Why was he in the wrong to follow the kid to see what he was up to? I am sure that most people in Gated communities know each other, or at least what their neighbors look like... Also, if Martin did not belong there, perhaps Zimmerman was trying to tell him to leave and was attacked?

These are just my observations from the news, and bits and pieces that I have picked up from the media... Oh, and Michael, using the term "race card" does not make someone a racist. It makes them observant... You should see how many people out here use their race as an excuse for doing something, or to get out of having to do stuff, and it happens everywhere.
I knew a guy who got pulled over, not because he was going 30 over the speed limit, but because he was black, and driving through a small town in South Louisiana... And, he wasn't afraid to complain about it to the people he worked with. That is pulling the race card.

 

[Ricky87]

It wasn't the Black Panthers though, and they didn't put a bounty on his head. What they said was that they were going to pursue a citizen's arrest if the justice system didn't fulfill their obligation to uphold the law and personally I think it was a smart move. Why pretend this wasn't race-related and if the threat of vigilantism leads to justice than it's a good thing in this case. Also, Spike Lee is definitely not a 'Black Leader' and he only speaks for himself. Giving out any address was very foolish on his part and it's why I've never really liked Spike Lee in the first place. He's a self-promoter and I think he's one of the sad few who use the Trayvon Martin killing for self-promotion.

As for the photo, no comment...We're better than this!.

 

[Carinata]

http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-black-panther-party-20120327,0,7849382.story


Oh really?

 

[Outcast]

Ricky is right about one thing... It was not the Black Panters, it was the Neo Black Panther Party... Which are considered to be violent people, and yes they did put a hit out for him for 10,000 for someone to capture him.

 

[beautifullywild77]

It wasn't the Black Panthers though, and they didn't put a bounty on his head. What they said was that they were going to pursue a citizen's arrest if the justice system didn't fulfill their obligation to uphold the law and personally I think it was a smart move. Why pretend this wasn't race-related and if the threat of vigilantism leads to justice than it's a good thing in this case. Also, Spike Lee is definitely not a 'Black Leader' and he only speaks for himself. Giving out any address was very foolish on his part and it's why I've never really liked Spike Lee in the first place. He's a self-promoter and I think he's one of the sad few who use the Trayvon Martin killing for self-promotion.

As for the photo, no comment...We're better than this!.

Spike Lee might not be a black leader in the sense of the things but he is a very influential black man that has made many films describing his views.

The New Black Panthers were distributing leaflets wanted dead or alive. Telling people an eye for an eye. Trying to provoke violence. They offered 10,000 dollars for the arrest of Zimmerman that to me sounds like a bounty. The police have even stated that no one should pursue a citizen arrest in this case or it could lead to arrests and criminal charges. Even Jesse Jackson denounced this.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-repo...ng-bounty-on-trayvon-killer-george-zimmerman/

I was wrong in grouping this new Black Panther in with the original group! They two totally different entities.

 

[beautifullywild77]

Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

So if it comes from a black man is it still racist? Or just coming from me because I am white!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ips_cnns_roland_martin_over_trayvon_case.html

 

[Ricky87]

Former NAACP leader C.L. Bryant is accusing Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton of “exploiting” the Trayvon Martin tragedy to “racially divide this country.”

“His family should be outraged at the fact that they’re using this child as the bait to inflame racial passions,” Rev. C.L. Bryant said in a Monday interview with The Daily Caller.

So if it comes from a black man is it still racist? Or just coming from me because I am white!

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...ips_cnns_roland_martin_over_trayvon_case.html

Racist, racially destructive, counter-productive to a fair and equal society...To me those are collectively the same issue so from that stand-point I think it's important for anybody, black or white, to look at the real situation and understand that their were many unjust factors that went into this tragedy and also that these factors can easily lead to a similar situation happening again. I don't discount that their are people like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton who perpetuate a racial divide and that's not fair either...To me a total win in this case would just be for Zimmerman to be arrested for his crime and to be processed in the same way that any other murderer is. Regardless of how large this case gets and how polarizing the two sides are the only thing that matters is that a boy lost his life...Gone forever from his loved ones who he will never see again on this side of things. It's a tragedy that has the potential to happen again and again unless the justice system itself is brought to justice and I think all his family wants is to know that at the very least his killer is paying his debt to society. They deserve justice and until they get it there will be people who ask why.

 

[Carinata]

So you’re calling for his ultimate arrest, and for him to be processed as a murderer. Trayvon Martin, died, and it’s a tragedy, but I don’t think we have enough evidence to prove without a doubt Zimmerman shot him in cold blood. I personally believe it was self-defense. I’m a huge proponent of gun rights, and believe that Zimmerman acted in self-defense. It was overkill, but still I don’t see how he could have head injuries if he just shot the kid. That doesn’t happen. We’re not allowing Due Process to do its job in this case. We’re simply jumping to conclusions. The MEDIA is making this look like a case based on race, which it’s clearly not. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, are racially dividing the country as if it’s the 1960’s. This is racism at its worst. This sort of speech turns the country against each other, and the violence will escalate. The media pulled the race card, Trayvon’s parents pulled the race card, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson pulled the race card. This notion that this was fueled from racism is so far from the truth it’s not even funny. The Black American community is very quick to jump on the racism train. I’ve been called a racist for simply saying I don’t agree with Obama’s policies. It’s absolute craziness! I’m sure several members here will call me racist for saying I see the race card pulled often with that particular community.
The fact of the matter is we have a justice system for a reason, and it will work itself out. If Zimmerman is really guilty, he will eventually be charged with murder. If he’s innocent (which I believe he is), he won’t be charged. The reason this case has grown to the size it has, is because of the media, and especially the liberal media. I’m not trying to make this a party issue, but the media outlets that are fueling the racism debate in this case are all traditionally liberal. There are so many other cases that the media just ignores, that are so much more tragic. It’s sad our media outlets pick and choose so much.
I will not put myself in Zimmerman’s shoes, or the Martin family’s shoes, or anyone’s shoes. This creates bias. If you think like Martin’s mother, of course you’ll see it differently than say Zimmerman’s mother. You see, I’m a free thinker, I read a story, watch a report, etc. and I figure it out myself. I have no relation to Martin or Zimmerman, but I know the media is not reporting the full extent of the story. No wonder there’s so much outrage; the media is covering one side of the story. I’m sorry if I come off callous, but it’s how I see things.
As Aaron said, he lived in a gated community. If you see someone you don’t know if your gated community, it’s cause for concern. I live in a sub-division, at the end of a cul-de-sac. I know all the neighbors, they all know me. Behind the cul-de-sac, there are woods (good herping in those woods), most Saturdays we’ll see a car we don’t recognize (it’s a new one every time), pull into the cul-de-sac, park, and 2-3 teenagers will get out and go into the woods. Mind you it’s usually midnight or later. My dad’s a fire chief, so he calls the police to report a suspicious person, they come out and 9 times out of 10, they were in the woods smoking weed or doing some sort of illicit drug. If I see someone new wandering around my neighborhood late at night if I’m on the phone with a client or if I’m just outside relaxing, I’ll question the reason’s the person is there. I usually don’t approach them, but I have approached people. Zimmerman had good cause to question Martin. There had been a string of robberies in the area, and he was doing his due diligence, questioning why he was there. Just like I have reason to question why teenagers are entering out woods at 1:30AM!
Just because Zimmerman called the police something like 46 times, doesn’t mean that he’s going to murder someone. He may be a little paranoid, but that doesn’t suggest violent tendencies. The issue with this case, is people are so quick to jump the gun, because of the way they (the media), portrays Zimmerman. People need to stop leaping to conclusion’s that may very well be wrong. How’s Al Sharpton going to feel if they find Trayvon attacked Zimmerman first? It’s a damn shame our society has to be like this.

 

[Outcast]

So if it comes from a black man is it still racist? Or just coming from me because I am white!

I was told by a college professor last semester that it is impossible for "minorities" to be racist. According to her, Racism is only possible for the race of people who hold power at a governmental level... Everyone else is prejudice.

I still do not understand what she was getting at, to me racism is something that everyone is capable... But, she insisted that only white people could be racist... Oh, and that not all white people are Caucasian, only those who can trace their lineage to the Caucasus Mountains.... She was Iranian I believe, from that mountain range...

 

[Carinata]

I was told by a college professor last semester that it is impossible for "minorities" to be racist. According to her, Racism is only possible for the race of people who hold power at a governmental level... Everyone else is prejudice.

I still do not understand what she was getting at, to me racism is something that everyone is capable... But, she insisted that only white people could be racist... Oh, and that not all white people are Caucasian, only those who can trace their lineage to the Caucasus Mountains.... She was Iranian I believe, from that mountain range...

Last time I checked I didn't get a month or a college fund.......

 

[Outcast]

Last time I checked I didn't get a month or a college fund.......

Oh, I agree.

I actually brought up much of the same stuff that I normally do.

Why is it that there can be African American only groups, or Minority only groups but if someone tries to make a fund for Poor White Trailer Park people (just and example, I know many people who live in trailer parks by choice, not because they can't afford anything else) it is suddenly racist?

 

[Carinata]

Oh, I agree.

I actually brought up much of the same stuff that I normally do.

Why is it that there can be African American only groups, or Minority only groups but if someone tries to make a fund for Poor White Trailer Park people (just and example, I know many people who live in trailer parks by choice, not because they can't afford anything else) it is suddenly racist?

I feel like it's an entitlement thing. Black American's feel entitled to these things because of how much we "oppress" them. They feel like they deserve these things because of the past.

When they tried to have confederate history month at my school, it was shot down because people thought it was racist.

It's pure ignorance in my honest opinion.

 

[starsevol]

Just to put it out there....

The Duncan Donuts Center in Providence is hosting the "2012 Women's Expo" this weekend. I have no desire to go. NONE. Maybe if a "Men's Expo" is created I will reconsider.