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executive order 3/16/2012

Race is never an issue until the race card is played.
Yes, this is a tragedy.
One *HUMAN BEING* killed another *HUMAN BEING*. Stop classifying people by race. Do it by species.

( :grin01: "I'm sorry, but I can't marry you. You're a New Jersey local, and I'm Montana locality. We have to keep our lines pure.")
 
Outcast said:
Oh, I agree.

I actually brought up much of the same stuff that I normally do.

Why is it that there can be African American only groups, or Minority only groups but if someone tries to make a fund for Poor White Trailer Park people (just and example, I know many people who live in trailer parks by choice, not because they can't afford anything else) it is suddenly racist?
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I would need an example of what you mean?... I think people use these very vague (almost fabricated) examples of "reverse-racism", that really don't exist. If there's this unfair disparity to white people between the rights of non-white people and white people, than I would love to see the evidence. I won't even question what you're saying, or criticize it, but until I see a link with some sort of example, it's just non-existent.

I also don't get how any of this discussion relates to the mind of George Zimmerman, when he killed Trayvon Martin...

*Rest of this post is not targeted at you specifically or this quote...

I also don't get why people are so defensive over this issue... when you have to use other examples (outside of this event) to support your opinion of this specific event, than you must not feel so strongly about your opinions on this specific incident to have the evidence tested out... which only delays real evidence being stacked, which delays an arrest, which only leads to the problem that we have now.

Why can't people say that "Yes, it is very possible that Zimmerman has become subconsciously predisposed to racist and prejudice thoughts that manifested into him acting out against a young (tall) black man in a hoodie". People don't need to start separating to their corners by defending every other hot button race-related story. And most importantly... THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU WHEN PEOPLE CALL THIS A RACIALLY MOTIVATED MURDER. But to deny the possibility that this could be a racially motivated killing, is too seriously ignore overwhelming racism, spilled over into violence, throughout this nations history.

And it's these denials, like that on behalf of the Sanford PD that cause this to become an issue of race. There needs to be an arrest, because this is getting out of control with people's insecurities. And if this case was based off of objectively stacking up evidence against itself (and YOU can do it too), there should at least be enough motive to arrest. I knew that this type of delay would turn this into a political storm, and people need to stop blaming each-other. We have law enforcement for this reason, to prevent LAW AND ORDER. Has this event gotten out of order?... yes!!! No matter which way you slice it, which lens you look through, there is not a reasonable amount of order revolving around this event. And it is Law Enforcements job to protect that... they have NOT!
 
Could Zimmerman be racist? Yes! Is there any proof that he is? No!
You said that Trayvon was killed because of racism.
Just because Zimmerman killed a young black man doesn't automatically make him a racist. A tall figure in a hoodie with the hood pulled down around his face is very suspicious. I would be suspicious of anyone walking around my neighborhood like that at night, no matter what color they are. Like Outcast said. It was a gated community, did Zimmerman know the boy prior, he was the self appointed captain of the neighborhood watch He would be familiar with the residences of the gated community. There had been burglaries in the last few weeks. Most of the time those that are up to no good will wear hoodies to commit the crimes and try to go unnoticed. (doesn't matter their skin color, look at the unibomber he wore a hoodie). Zimmerman is at fault for the confrontation because he was told to cease and desist following the young man. He continued on despite that warning. That to me says vigilante or wanna be cop but not racist.

Do I believe that Zimmerman should be arrested? Yes but as of right now even state dept can not find enough evidence to issue an arrest warrant at this time. Again it goes back to the law that is on the books in Florida. When in America did we just start arresting people without hard evidence? He was held in custody for questioning. He was released because they had no evidence to hold him there. Zimmerman is already convicted in the eyes of the public and now with the issue of it perhaps maybe being a hate crime, tensions are even higher. Races are divided because the cops were white and the victim was black.
 
I find it amazing that even though this is the general chit chat section, that in 8 days we get 29 pages of discussion, but i can hardly get any answers to corn snake questions on a corn snake forum.
 
Some on here don't really answer the corn snake questions it seems. I don't remember seeing your question. If I had known the answer I probably would of given it to you!
 
You have chimed in on a few of my questions posted in the appropriate sections and i thank you for your input, but what i was trying to convey, it seems this is more of a clubhouse for a few, and not an informative discussion forum for the rearing and caring of corn snakes......Its frustrating knowing that some members know the answers to my questions, but sit silent in front of their computer.......I'm just trying to do whats best for my newly acquired pets......I originally thought about breeding, but after reading and learning more about them, i have re-thought that idea.....I guess i will have to figure stuff out on my own, since corn snake help here is very limited.
 
I have gotten a lot of help from this site from many different people. But looking at pictures and trying to guess is just that a guess. None of us can be 100% sure if what you have is what we see!
 
Nova_C said:
Apparently ABC released a police security video of Zimmerman after the shooting:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/video/george-zimmerman-police-surveillance-16024475

He's claiming that during the attack, Martin broke his nose and repeatedly smashed his head against the sidewalk. No blood, obvious bruising, or bandages. Whatever happened, doesn't look like it went down quite like Zimmerman is claiming.
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The police report says he was bleeding, and he was treated for a broken nose. Man, that video was really clear.....
 
The two are not at all similar and it's pretty unlikely that there's going to be outrage over every homicide in the US.
 
Carinata said:
I feel like it's an entitlement thing. Black American's feel entitled to these things because of how much we "oppress" them. They feel like they deserve these things because of the past.

When they tried to have confederate history month at my school, it was shot down because people thought it was racist.

It's pure ignorance in my honest opinion.
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I want to word this carefully, but it's a difficult thing to do...Instead I'll just save face and give you some very prime advice. Opinions like this come from the ego and not from the heart.

You can't encapsulate Black America and you have no foundation to understand what the Confederacy symbolizes for other people...To you it's just something fun to debate and it gets your ego excited to put it out there, but for other people it's something that has been experienced and that has a very emotional component to it. For you to say it's ignorant is very hypocritical in every way, because you are ignoring something you haven't felt and that you have such little knowledge of...That's all I can say about that.
 
This has nothing to do with ego. I have a strong interest in my heritage and my roots. The civil war WAS not fought on the basis of slavery. If you’ve read any history text book or taken any US history class at a high school level you would know that. I love learning about the confederacy, after all it’s my roots. Just like Black American’s like to celebrate events from their “home” countries. I like to celebrate Confederate history. How can you tell me (as someone that speaks out for human rights), that I can’t talk about Confederate history because it may offend Black Americans?

I cannot understand the argument you’re attempting to convey. It’s completely ill-founded and I am honestly lost. Why should Black American’s be allowed to celebrate their history, but I can’t celebrate mine. Robert E. Lee was one of the bravest Virginian’s to every live in Old Dominion. This is my heritage, and if I wish to embrace it that’s my choice. If my state wishes to embrace it, they shouldn’t be questioned. It’s complete BS, that you would even suggest the celebration of my heritage is offensive. Any educated person, will know that the Confederacy was not just some slave ring. The reasons for succession were so much more vast than slavery.

This case is not about race, but it’s been made to be about race which is completely asinine and is a direct result of the media and people like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, who are racially dividing this nation. There is NO EVIDENCE that Zimmerman was a racist, yet he’s being called such.

It is ignorant to think Zimmerman is racist with the amount of information we have. It is ignorant to think there is no way the story the mainstream media is feeding us is false. It is ignorant to think that Confederate history month is offensive. How is it not hypocritical to offer one group of people advancement opportunities, college funds, months dedicated to their group, etc., and not offer it to another group? What’s even worse is when you try to, people scream “racist”! How is it not hypocritical to say George Zimmerman is a racist, yet the same cause has T-shirts calling Mr. Zimmerman a “Punk Ass Cracker”? Explain this to me please, because I really want to know what the answer is.
 
Michael823 said:
I would need an example of what you mean?... I think people use these very vague (almost fabricated) examples of "reverse-racism", that really don't exist. If there's this unfair disparity to white people between the rights of non-white people and white people, than I would love to see the evidence. I won't even question what you're saying, or criticize it, but until I see a link with some sort of example, it's just non-existent.

I also don't get how any of this discussion relates to the mind of George Zimmerman, when he killed Trayvon Martin...
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What you quoted was a side conversation with David. It really didn't have anything to do with the original topic, but since you felt the need to make me elaborate on it... Look up the vast amount of scholarships that I do not qualify because I am a white male, yet there are tons of people not taking advantage of them.... In fact, when one of the Government Wildlife groups came and spoke in front of my FWCE class at the beginning of the semester the guy asked all the Females, and Minorities to apply for an internship, but, Specifically told All of the White Males to not even try, because they would not be accepted.... That is what I was getting at...

And I agree, "reverse-racism" does not exist... What does exist is prejudice on all levels, If you cannot see that, then you are the blind one.

Ricky87 said:
I want to word this carefully, but it's a difficult thing to do...Instead I'll just save face and give you some very prime advice. Opinions like this come from the ego and not from the heart.

You can't encapsulate Black America and you have no foundation to understand what the Confederacy symbolizes for other people...To you it's just something fun to debate and it gets your ego excited to put it out there, but for other people it's something that has been experienced and that has a very emotional component to it. For you to say it's ignorant is very hypocritical in every way, because you are ignoring something you haven't felt and that you have such little knowledge of...That's all I can say about that.
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You lost face a long time ago Ricky.

But, Please, show me someone who was alive during the time of the Civil War, and who has "experienced it". No one alive today fought or lived during the Civil War. So, no one has had any "experience" close to killing their own family members because they lived on the wrong side of a line....

The Civil War was rough for America, But seriously, look into the true reasons it was fought. There were states that had Abolished Slavery within their own borders and still fought for the Confederacy.... It was a war between the Rich people of the South and North, using the poor people as their pawns. (That is the gist of what my College Level, American History Professor, stated). But it doesn't make what each individual was fighting for, any less real... And by the way, Abraham Lincoln was ruthless in that war. He sent men to destroy everything in their path.
 
Just thought I'd throw this in there. As someone who knows a great deal about EMS services, I know that before you go to the police station, you have the right to get cleaned up or receive medical attention. I would put money on the fact that EMS cleaned him up at the scene.
 
It was started on states rights actually. The southern states did not like Lincoln's views on a states bank or world bank (I would have to look up the specifics). They believed if the became president that states rights would be infringed upon and or taken away. Lincoln wasn't set out to free the slaves when he be came president and not even in the beginning of the war.

The confederate flag was the flag of the confederate states of America. Not the flag of slavery. As Outcast stated their were states that had freed the slaves but still fought because it was about states rights. The flag has now, in todays times, come to symbolize being proud of being southern or rebel, someone that goes against the grain. Some people still view as a sign of racism and slavery but others do not. They have groups like the daughters of the confederate. It isn't a racist group.
 
beautifullywild77 said:
It was started on states rights actually. The southern states did not like Lincoln's views on a states bank or world bank (I would have to look up the specifics). They believed if the became president that states rights would be infringed upon and or taken away. Lincoln wasn't set out to free the slaves when he be came president and not even in the beginning of the war.

The confederate flag was the flag of the confederate states of America. Not the flag of slavery. As Outcast stated their were states that had freed the slaves but still fought because it was about states rights. The flag has now, in todays times, come to symbolize being proud of being southern or rebel, someone that goes against the grain. Some people still view as a sign of racism and slavery but others do not. They have groups like the daughters of the confederate. It isn't a racist group.
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You're 100% correct! The southern flag, to me is a great historical artifact. It's not racist in any way, shape, or form. I actually have one hanging in my TV room (not my family's TV room, my TV room in the basement, we're not that redneck).
 
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