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executive order 3/16/2012

I own a confederate flag that i believe is from around the 1960s. I don.t have it displayed anywhere. I don't own it because I have southern pride (I was born and raised in New Mexico) I have it for the love historical items. I also have a replica confederate money and a button.
 
The flag hasn't taken on another meaning. Ignorant people (both members of the KKK and some other groups) try and make it a sign of racism which it's NOT. I have one to remember my heritage and roots by.
 
Last November Rick and I were in North Carolina looking at prospective properties to buy. One of them was a multi family multi building located on 3 different streets. It was rather an odd layout, the roads rather looked like a bulls eye and went up a hill. We got to the main property with the realtor and were about to get out of the car when he noticed a huge confederate flag draped across the front door. He said "these people are sending us a message here", and wouldn't let us out of the car. The place had a messy grassless yard and T-111 siding and looked pretty grim.

Needless to say we kept on going. :)
 
Regarding Martin's e-mail, one of the first thing someone did was set up a fake Facebook account. Martin's actual Facebook is, I believe, completely private. I wonder how much this disinformation is coloring the narrative.

Regarding the Confederate flag: The swastika is a good luck symbol from ancient times. It's pretty dominantly used as a symbol of white supremacy and neo-nazism. Almost everyone associates it with the holocaust. If someone proudly displays it and then gets mad when people associate them with nazism and racism, well, then they're just being foolish.

I feel the same way about the Confederate flag. It may not be fair, but it's the way it is and to ignore the reality of how the world perceives certain symbols is naive.
 
The Swastika used to be the symbol for New Mexico State University, and is still on some of the oldest building in the architecture, like Foster Hall. I saw it one day and laughed, because I knew about the history of it, and also knew that if many other people had seen it and recognized it, there would be an uproar, because one group of people decided to use it as a symbol for their stupidity...

My point is, just because there is a group that uses a symbol for their cause, does not make that symbol bad. I personally am fascinated with Nazi Germany stuff, and Confederate things. My wife says that it makes me a bad person, but I look at it from a historical point. I love history.
 
But saying because the majority of people disapprove of it with no knowlege of the real fact , so it's automatically written off, is the same basis on which our animals are getting banned
 
Carinata said:
But saying because the majority of people disapprove of it with no knowlege of the real fact , so it's automatically written off, is the same basis on which our animals are getting banned
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No knowledge of the real fact?

Are you denying that a significant event of the war was the end of slavery, which is something that the south was actively trying to maintain? There is a racist component of Confederate history, whether you like it or not. It doesn't mean that all Confederates were racist, or even that all of them were slavers. What is does mean though is that it is irrational to expect people to simply ignore that part of history because it is inconvenient for you.
 
Nova_C said:
No knowledge of the real fact?

Are you denying that a significant event of the war was the end of slavery, which is something that the south was actively trying to maintain? There is a racist component of Confederate history, whether you like it or not. It doesn't mean that all Confederates were racist, or even that all of them were slavers. What is does mean though is that it is irrational to expect people to simply ignore that part of history because it is inconvenient for you.
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Um, isn't it true that not all of the Northern states supported ending slavery though? I'm not sure I agree with the notion that future generations should always apologise for the wrongs of their ancestors. History becomes distorted depending on which viewpoint is chosen and I'm not denying there were bad points about the Confederacy, but there is also history to be proud of. The evils of slavery cannot be forgotten, but they weren't invented by the Western world and continue today in free African countries
 
You can just tell by the responses at this point. No point in labels, the comments identify themselves. I know what this case is about, and I'm sorry that some people haven't given their minds enough attention to agree.

I also think that a non-political event, such as the murder of a child, is disagreed with along the SAME exact lines as if it were on behalf of a Democrat's opinion. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Anti-Obama sentiment is expressed by the same people expressing similar bias over this event.

Point is, I could have predicted the same resentment towards Trayvon Martin as has been shown by the same people who 'coincidentally' all share the same political views... I guess I'm just saying that it's not a coincidence.
 
starsevol said:
Last November Rick and I were in North Carolina looking at prospective properties to buy. One of them was a multi family multi building located on 3 different streets. It was rather an odd layout, the roads rather looked like a bulls eye and went up a hill. We got to the main property with the realtor and were about to get out of the car when he noticed a huge confederate flag draped across the front door. He said "these people are sending us a message here", and wouldn't let us out of the car. The place had a messy grassless yard and T-111 siding and looked pretty grim.

Needless to say we kept on going. :)
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Wow!!! That guy wasn't joking if he didn't let you out of the car!!!
 
Michael823 said:
You can just tell by the responses at this point. No point in labels, the comments identify themselves. I know what this case is about, and I'm sorry that some people haven't given their minds enough attention to agree.

I also think that a non-political event, such as the murder of a child, is disagreed with along the SAME exact lines as if it were on behalf of a Democrat's opinion. I don't think it's a coincidence that the Anti-Obama sentiment is expressed by the same people expressing similar bias over this event.

Point is, I could have predicted the same resentment towards Trayvon Martin as has been shown by the same people who 'coincidentally' all share the same political views... I guess I'm just saying that it's not a coincidence.
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I am afraid I will have to respectfully disagree with you. I am not a fan of Obama, by any stretch of the imagination. I think so far he as done abysmally as far as leading this nation.
And like I said, if things happened the way Zimmerman said they did, and they happened to ME like that, I would be shooting. I don't care about a person's age, gender, color, religion...but if someone is slamming MY head into the concrete, I would shoot to kill.
But I was not there. I do not know for sure what happened. If he is guilty I hope he pays for his crimes. I really do. It has nothing to do with whether I like Obama or not, if he is guilty I want justice for that family. If he is not, it seems his life is ruined anyway. I will withold judgement until more information is available to me.
 
The Civil War wasn't started over slavery, it was states rights. I see the Confederate flag as a sign of Southern heritage. It's ignorant to think the Civil War was about slavery, because it wasn't. Lincoln made it about slavery, after European countries expressed interest in trying to aid the South. He wanted to make the focus something that was within the country.

I am not a racist, and this is not a case that should involve political parties. I think that the whole case was handled wrong. George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty, yet we're already treating him like he is guilty!
 
Wow, so not only am I racist for using the term race card, but now I am a racist because I don't support Obama and because I think that the Trayvon Martin case has others using racism horribly or to promote more violence?

I agree with Beth in this matter!
 
Even thought this isn't about parties, I found this picture amusing. Many Liberals are using this whole thing to try and push their agenda. Sad really.
 

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