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Finally PICTURES!!

Very nice looking snakes!

One question, why did you cross these snakes in particular? Did you not have a snake of opposite sex of each species/hybrid?

I ask, b/c those babies are going to be pretty corn looking and could be passed off as pure, when they're not. Something to watch for when you selling.
 
oh man cav...that is a pisser. can always count on you to make me crack a smile.

P.S ----where the hell did you get that pick?
 
Wow...

:eek1:

Would it be off topic to say something about the snakes in question at the beginning of this thread? :rolleyes:

I've never seen a mexicana cross before, if that is indeed what she is... She's gorgeous!
 
Vinman said:
but everybody else can see it that is the point you know you are wrong.and you are exposed. you are a troubel maker and a novice


Not quite and this will be the LAST time I respond to a single one of your posts. Not really sure how I am wrong, but okay.

Let's go back over this. I advised her to take her adult male off of rats---from everything I've ever read and seen with the new male I got----adult males do not need to be on rats. They get overweight on a rat diet. Females on the other hand, could use the extra nutrition from a rat.

You say that if you did that, there would be an extra fat worry and then rat pups dont have as much calcium.

Okay, let's investigate this.

She said she was feeding her female two small mice, or one medium mouse a week.

I'd say a medium mouse is between 18-22 grams, so I'm going to go with 20. A rat pup is around 25 grams.

An adult mouse >10 grams has the nutritional value of 55.8% protein and 23.6% fat. It also has 2.98% calcium.

A juvie rat is 56.1% protein and 27.5% fat. It also is comprised of 2.07% calcium.

(20g) adult mouse times 2.98% (0.0298) = 0.596grams of calcium.
(25g) rat pup times 2.07% (0.0207) = 0.5175 grams of calcium.

0.596g-0.5175g= 0.0785. That is less than one tenth of a gram. IF that really is that much of a difference, she can dab the rat pups bottom in calcium powder to help her female out.

So again, what bad advice have I given?

BabyBlueEyes has been in the chat room (a place you dont visit) the past week or two asking about her female that she is concerned about. She told us it was a 2003 and we told her it might be too small to breed. That is why I asked the length of her snake and told her that I didnt think breeding her would be a problem. I never said she needed to feed her snake more. Again, this is a case where you have a problem reading something and understanding what was said. I never said, 'you need to feed your snake more food'. Sorry, but it's just not there.

I do not come here to cause problems or to bash people. In fact, I left you alone after you made a fool out of yourself with the chicken neck post. You had people from all spans of experience in this forum questioning your feeding methods, so dont act all pissy and hurt that I did the same. I simply said that I didnt agree with what you were feeding your snakes.

My experience level, nor yours, has nothing to do with me questioning your feeding techniques or whatever. If you choose to feed your snakes chicken necks, go right ahead. I think you're still pissed from the chicken neck thread and the thread where you were trying to sell a hypo het whatever for $550. I find it funnier that that snake is still for sale, even though you lowered the price an extra $100.

If you have a problem with me personally, take it to a PM so you dont hijack someone's post. I've said nothing to BabyBlueEyes that is rude, bashing, or attacking. I havent caused trouble or anything of the sort, but rather I answered one of her questions from the chat room. Look at her response when I told her I thought her female was in fact big enough to breed. I happen to recall seeing a 'YAY!!!' in there somewhere.


all you do is come on this forum and bash people and start truble the fact is you dont know crap. you are a beginer and you have no bussiness giving advice never the less answering this post when you never owened a gravid corn.

Again, not what I do. I've given out plenty of helpful advice when I can, but I do defer to someone else when it's something I cannot personally give advice on. Have I ever claimed to be an exper? Please search my ~800 posts and find me one time where I said, "I am a cornsnake expert". I'll be sitting here waiting while you go through all 800 posts and find out I've never said that.

Do I have 500 corns? No. Do I have 100? No. I have 11. Does that make me a beginner? Perhaps it does, I dont really know nor do I care what you think about my level of experience. Again, I responded to the post because of her questions in the chat room. Me never owning a gravid corn has nothing to do with me answering the post or not.

I really encourage you to perhaps read over a post a dozen or so times before you want to attack someone for something you thought you read, when you obviously were going too fast or are just incapable of understanding what someone writes. Go back and re-examine my posts, nothing has been edited, and you'll see what you've accused me of is flat out wrong.

Next time you're going to attack someone, maybe you should quote them so you cant screw up what they said by trying to remember and quoting them from memory.

This is my final post to you, so unless you plan on responding with an apology do not expect a post back. This also goes for any PM's you decide to send me now. They will be deleted.

Have a lovely Easter.
 
seriously Vin, they've got pills to fix those moods swings...why you felt the need to go off on a tangent i dunno but its not at all going to help the people who post on here looking for good honest advice. your attitude will only discourage people from using this site.

as for your whole beef with what joe said, get over it. i didnt see a thing where he offered anything other than polite advice.

PS...being that your acctually involved in the business side of this hobby i believe, i doubt youd wanna act out like that.....not a good practice if you want customers, just my 2 cents.

im not one to get involved in, or start a pissing contest so Vin DONT get an attitude with me...

Babyblueeyes, best of luck with your snakes. i hope this little fiasco hasnt given you a bad impression of the others on this site

Snakeman out! :sidestep:
 
I'm gone for a week and have to come back to this?? DAMN! I wish my spring break were longer now. Reguarding your initial questoins Blue Eyes, Your female looks eaither really gravid, or really fat. Going on what I've read and discussed with you in the chat, I say she's gravid as hell. As far as Joe's posts about the mice go, if you continue to feed appropriate sized mice, I would feed one mouse twice a week instead of two mice once a week. I think it's healthier to feed her two meals seperate than two meals at once, after all, look at what McDonald's has done to America ;).
NOW! On to Vinny here. This is not the first time you have tried to insult those younger than you by going off and talking about your damn experience. I seem to remember you calling someone a "smartass teen-age punk". Well mister, I'm-old-and-don't-want-to-treat-others-with-respect, I don't want to hear another word about how much frieking experience you have. Most people have the same problems here, "my snake made a funny noise", "My snake is acting funny", "My snake isn't eating". As far as I'm concerned, my 7 years of experience including one year of hatching a successful clutch, just about matches your 22 years of experience, hatching hundreds of clutches. In my first clutch alone I dealt wiith a large range of problems including, premature hatching, snakes that wouldn't drink, non-feeders, lizzard-feeders, and snakes that would bite at any and everything that moved. Granted, these are mostly normal problems, and aren't nearly all of them, but I would bet that less than 5% of people here who have hatched corns had a premie in theri first clutch. I would also bet that less than 10% of breeders here hatched snakes that wouldn't drink in their first clutch. Those aren't very common problems. I will say that I am dredding the day that I hatch a malformed or kinked snake. I am dreading the day that I hatch a snake with two heads or two bodies. I would much rather deal with snakes that don't eat or that have hatched prematurely, because (knowing me) I'd fall in love with any hatchlings I would have to euthinize.
 
Thank you so much all! you guys helped a lot! i have no problem with anyone but wow things can get out of hand! Ty neo and katt! i love my corns! Im glad that she is gravid and will start setting things up! Shes in her hid 24/7 and hasent been active very much.. she has been digging and seems a little uncomfertable. I hope everything goes well! :rolleyes:

Thanks again
-BBB
 
The fact remains that the thread was started for the sole intent to know if her snake was gravid If there was any queation about her feeding her snake then you should have saved that topic for the chat room. this thred was started to know if her snake was gravid stay on the subject. Egg no way in hell can you compare one clutch in seven years to the thousands of eggs that I hatch in 20 years this is the most foolish thing you ever said. one clutch with so many problems . I'm glad I dont have your animals or maybee you dont how to incubate you eggs , thats to many problems in one clutch so now you hatch one problem clutch in seven years and now you are a expert. you go on to say that you havent had every problem , so how can you compare this to 20 years of hatchling snakes, do you realize what you wright.
 
Katt

I warned her in a P.M. I told her that she should cross it to some other cross next time so the babies dont look like pure corns . she did not care . I told her to find out what type of king was used in the cross from the breeder she got it from
 
I am going to take a leaf out of joe's book. At what point in time did I say that I was a fireking expert?? I just said I have dealt with these problems. How many of these problems have you dealt with? AND WTF ARE YOU SAYING THAT YOU WOULDN'T WANT ANY OF MY ANIMALS!!! (I'm yelling btw, in case you can't tell). You have neither seen nor do you know ANYTHING about ANY of my animals. I have yet to hear any criticism about my snakes. In case you didn't notice, the ONLY two UNCOMMON problems in that clutch was the ONE premature hatchling and the ONE hatchling that didn't drink. AS FOR THE OTHER PROBLEMS, they are COMPLETELY normal problems to have in a clutch. As far as I'm concerned vinny, you have just dug yourself into a hole that you can no longer get out of. BTW, you can't handle that shovel you're using.
 
im not a prof. vinman.... im a noob. these are my first corns and i decided to breed them for my own experience, i dont know much about genetics and dont attend on doing breeding projects as im going to sell my hatchlings to family members who want to buy them as pets not for some breeding project! Get what im trying to say now? :grin01: i damn well do care about my snakes, what do you think ive been doing this past 2 weeks? Ive been very worried about my female corn and have been asking as many questions as possible..... the only person whos causing all this is you!
 
sweety the problem is you may give them to family but what happens if you get out of snakes and the family member does want it any more or it excapes some one finds it and selles it to a pet shop as a corn . you know that you can have 20 eggs in a clutch I am sure you dont have 20 people to buy snakes nobody said that you didn't care about your snakes I said that you didn't care if they look ilke pure corns I never bashed you It was me who answered your question I was the one that said that you were feedind your snake the rite way . The only thing that Katt and me a worried about is that they dont end up in the wrong hands I think you owe me a appoligy
 
egg I 'm not trying too fight with you you are the one that said that your one ctutch and its problems are the same as my 22 years exp the fact its is 20 this year you came on this thread to bash me it is you that is still mad where did you come on this therad to help blue eyes . didn't we put water under the bridge or did you forget why are you starting sh**t with me agin
 
Vinman, in a more realistic sence what are the chances of a snake actually getting in the hands of a stranger to sell at a pet store? I am aware that they may escape but 99.9% of the time they are found. As far as an apology I don't feel I disrespected you in any way at all I simply expressed what was on my mind like you have been doing with myself and others. I feel everybody has been very helpful and dont even know why things got out of hand. All my questions for now have been answered and hope that we can put an end to this verbal war. Untill then good luck to everybody with their snakes. Oh and Joejr 14 thank you very much for all your advice you do have a lot of knowledge and hope that you can continue helping me and others. :rolleyes:
 
BabyBlueEyes said:
Vinman, in a more realistic sence what are the chances of a snake actually getting in the hands of a stranger to sell at a pet store? I am aware that they may escape but 99.9% of the time they are found. As far as an apology I don't feel I disrespected you in any way at all I simply expressed what was on my mind like you have been doing with myself and others. I feel everybody has been very helpful and dont even know why things got out of hand. All my questions for now have been answered and hope that we can put an end to this verbal war. Untill then good luck to everybody with their snakes. Oh and Joejr 14 thank you very much for all your advice you do have a lot of knowledge and hope that you can continue helping me and others. :rolleyes:

You are very welcome!! Please continue to ask questions and post here, we're all here to help---well, most of us!
 
Vinman said:
egg I 'm not trying too fight with you you are the one that said that your one ctutch and its problems are the same as my 22 years exp the fact its is 20 this year you came on this thread to bash me it is you that is still mad where did you come on this therad to help blue eyes . didn't we put water under the bridge or did you forget why are you starting sh**t with me agin

Trust me Vin, if I came here to have another pissing contest, you would know it. I genuinely came here to see what has been going on this last week, as I have been on spring break. I don't appreciate the fact that YOU started the pissing contest with joe, and I spoke up, because I quite frankly don't care what you think. I have seen joe when he is trying to bash someone, and none of his posts reflect the "bashing tone". I simply stated that you, for the second time that I've seen, have started a pissing contest with someone younger than you, simply because they are younger than you. You may have been taking care of corns for the last 20 or so years, but that doesn't mean you know anything. Of course, after my post, you must make this all about you and how "harsh" I am being on you, when in reality, all you're doing is reading too much into things and trying to find things to start ****. From what I can tell, you're nothing but a troll, and I don't really believe you have your own buisness.

Now that you have re-opened the can of worms, you're trying to look innocent. I'm not going to let it fly. You got caught with your hand in the cookie jar, now it's time to fess up.



OH! BTW! When your snakes eat, does it look like this??
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Like I said before I have nothing to hide The fact is blue eyes asked if anyone new if her snake was gravid I gave her a answer and gave her a P.M. told her she can call my home if she needed too. Just told her to breed it to a diffrent cross next so they dont look like pure corns. egg just came on to start trouble as any one can see no were did he post any help he just went on and tryed to bash me here is the post.

I'm gone for a week and have to come back to this?? DAMN! I wish my spring break were longer now. Reguarding your initial questoins Blue Eyes, Your female looks eaither really gravid, or really fat. Going on what I've read and discussed with you in the chat, I say she's gravid as hell. As far as Joe's posts about the mice go, if you continue to feed appropriate sized mice, I would feed one mouse twice a week instead of two mice once a week. I think it's healthier to feed her two meals seperate than two meals at once, after all, look at what McDonald's has done to America .
NOW! On to Vinny here. This is not the first time you have tried to insult those younger than you by going off and talking about your damn experience. I seem to remember you calling someone a "smartass teen-age punk". Well mister, I'm-old-and-don't-want-to-treat-others-with-respect, I don't want to hear another word about how much frieking experience you have. Most people have the same problems here, "my snake made a funny noise", "My snake is acting funny", "My snake isn't eating". As far as I'm concerned, my 7 years of experience including one year of hatching a successful clutch, just about matches your 22 years of experience, hatching hundreds of clutches. In my first clutch alone I dealt wiith a large range of problems including, premature hatching, snakes that wouldn't drink, non-feeders, lizzard-feeders, and snakes that would bite at any and everything that moved. Granted, these are mostly normal problems, and aren't nearly all of them, but I would bet that less than 5% of people here who have hatched corns had a premie in theri first clutch. I would also bet that less than 10% of breeders here hatched snakes that wouldn't drink in their first clutch. Those aren't very common problems. I will say that I am dredding the day that I hatch a malformed or kinked snake. I am dreading the day that I hatch a snake with two heads or two bodies. I would much rather deal with snakes that don't eat or that have hatched prematurely, because (knowing me) I'd fall in love with any hatchlings I would have to euthinize.

now who started with who I got attacted first P.S. you are a punk good by
 
So I lied, and I'll post just once more.

What was her question, Vinny?

I recall her question was whether or not her snake was gravid, not what type of hybrid she had or if she should breed her hybrid to her corn.

So, since you're bitching about what everyone else did, which was not answer her question, you're guilty of the same thing.

And, you get what you ask for. You attack others, but then arent capable of handling an attack in return? You've gotta run away and cry unfair and not nice because someone was mean to you and 'attacked' you.

Grow up.
 
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