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FIRST PIP, need ID?

Did some research: emailed SMR with pics ( awaiting a reply), looked at golddust vs. amber hatchlings on Serpenco, and read description of ultra/ultramel characteristics in Pritzel's cornmorph guide 08'. Everything seems to point so far towards these being Golddusts, ANOTHER SUPRISE!!! I am not 100 % sure yet, and am awaiting at least the first shed, but their very light color, complete lack of any dark borders, reddish pupils and greenish/bluish irises seem to lead in only one direction...golds
I guess the Amber female I have must actually be a golddust ( a dark variation for sure) and will post pics after her postlay shed.

PS) at last check 3, "ambers" and 1 butter pipped so far...12 eggs left to go...

Update quote from Don:Show me a pic again after shedding. It doesn't appear to be a gold dust OR an amber. Could be a compound of caramel and snow or something. Shrug? Rich Z would be the most qualified person to get an opinion from.

So now i will be contacting Rich Z. ( Should've done that in the first place...duh!)
 
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I am no expert far from it, but I have a pair of ambers from Rich Z. Jen P got them last year in out of egg sale and they look nothing like my ambers.
 
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looks like 4 of the now "mystery morphs" and one butter now.
 

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I'm still leaning towards gold dust, the flash could be drowning out some of the color in the pictures and once they shed they may color up a bit. That's not to say I'm correct - and Don certainly knows more than I do, but they remind me so much of the few gold dust hatchlings I've seen in person that it's hard to discount the similarities. Keep in mind, there is variation and variety within looks of ultramels, with some tending to be darker and others far lighter. (I have a pair of ultramel aneries and one is extremely pale and the other is fairly dark right now.) Again, I could be wrong and it would be nice to see what Rich has to say.

Have any normal caramels pipped as of yet? As I said in the other thread, if all you get are these weird amberish/gold dustish things and butters, than it is most likely the female is a gold dust - unless the male is a hypo butter. The best way to test for that, would be to breed the male to a female hypo a with no caramel hets, to test it out.
 
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No caramels to be seen, fingers crossed!
PS) the flash is drowning it out a little, but the colors are pretty accurate...Also I call that one "Rocket" look at the 50's style rocket taking off on his head, also his personality is COMPLETELY different from the hateling first-hatched. Came right up to my finger no fear, I held him and very little fuss, inquisitive little guy, the hateling is hiding and he just cruises the box.
 
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No caramels to be seen, fingers crossed!
PS) the flash is drowning it out a little, but the colors are pretty accurate...Also I call that one "Rocket" look at the 50's style rocket taking off on his head, also his personality is COMPLETELY different from the hateling first-hatched. Came right up to my finger no fear, I held him and very little fuss, inquisitive little guy, the hateling is hiding and he just cruises the box.
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I'll keep my fingers crossed for no caramels for you. =)

I checked out the pictures of the parents in the link you posted, and it's kind of hard to tell from the pictures. Though, from what I could see of the female in the first one, she could still be either or. Although, I would have thought ambers had more brownish colored boarders than that. Seems more grayish/black to me. But I can't recall if I've ever seen an adult amber in person, so hard to make a judgment call on that without seeing her eyes.
 
Kyle here is the picture of my male amber (female looks the same) as I said they are Rich Z stock. Pic #1 is toward end of last year and pic #2 is about 6 weeks ago. When I first got them through Jen P there was almost no yellow just brown and tan.
 

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OK Momma decided to cooperate and is now freshly shed as of this afternoon. I've never seen a golddust adult so I don't know if she qualifies. In one of the mostly natural light pics she has greenish/ yellowish eyes?
 

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susang said:
Kyle here is the picture of my male amber (female looks the same) as I said they are Rich Z stock. Pic #1 is toward end of last year and pic #2 is about 6 weeks ago. When I first got them through Jen P there was almost no yellow just brown and tan.
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What color are their boarders? Are they brown or black? And are their pupils ruby or black?
 
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ForkedTung said:
OK Momma decided to cooperate and is now freshly shed as of this afternoon. I've never seen a golddust adult so I don't know if she qualifies. In one of the mostly natural light pics she has greenish/ yellowish eyes?
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In that first picture, her pupils are a nice ruby color, and she's got that almost washed out milky color that reminds me of my ultramel anery, Shale. That's an older picture of him, but he's still pretty much the same.

The borders on your girl look a bit like his as well, a washed out gray color.

You know, I went looking through some pictures I took last year of Stephen's snakes, and found ones of his amber girl. I'd been trying to remember if I'd seen an adult before and found the pics. lol... She does look similar to your girl, however her saddles aren't quite as washed out and it appears that she has black pupils. (I just didn't get any good eye shots at the time.)

Here's a couple pics of her:
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Hope Stephen won't mind me posting pictures of his snake... lol...
 
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Thanks Jenn for the postings...very small bummer though. I just saw a darker head poking out of an egg ( went right back in, but I'll post pics if I can). I guess that genetically that would make the others Ambers and that one a Caramel, unless something weird like Don said " don't look like Ambers or Golds" happened ??? Still a mystery though and either way at the LEAST my Amber is proven het for Amel and my Butter is proven het for Hypo AND I got the babies to prove it!...What's to cry about when I was expecting ALL Caramels?:licklips::licklips::licklips:

looks to be: 5 Ambers 1 Butter 3 Caramel so far... 7 to go....

The ratio should be 25 % of each of the above with another 25% being hypo butters, but they're unidentifiable, so it should look more like 50% butters?
 
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very small bummer though. I just saw a darker head poking out of an egg
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That pretty much seals it. I don't think Ultra can be involved with the female if you had a dark head show up. Congrats on the hidden Hypo though! That definitely makes it worth it, and can't wait to see the first shed pictures on them Ambers . . . they are LIGHT!!

D80
 
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Exactly what Kathy said! :) My best guess would be Amber as well. Can't wait to see/hear what the rest of the clutch looks like!

As for wade's comments (and I'm hoping he just mistyped his words), Hypo will not be dominant to Amel. In a homo Hypo and Amel snake, you typically can't tell the difference between them and the "just an Amel" snake.

D80
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I don't know... Ultramels hatchlings do look a little different to me.. their borders tend to be that uniquely purpleish colour. Amels don't tend to have that.
 
Rich Z. Pm'ed me to tell me to show him pics after they shed, so we should know for sure then, but it pretty much is settled although some would agree those Ambers sure do look just a little bit "off" any way here is one of the darker pips...

compare my "caramel" to this photo of one of Rich's ambers here:
http://www.serpenco.com/pics/amber05_05.jpg
 

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