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Harassment Issue.

RosieReal said:
lol...call the local police (from a payphone, and dont leave a name) to tell them you have it on good authority that she's running a meth lab. That should keep her busy for a while!
(ps...dont really do this. just think about it. I bet it makes you smile!)

Seriously though, how's it going? any further devlopments? It sucks when the ex is still a factor to deal with.
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Haha! That did make me chuckle. :roflmao:

Things have died down since we stopped talking to her. She would message AJ saying things to try to get a rise out of him and he would just let it go (to her disappointment). I think she's giving up, hopefully. So far, no news is good news IMO.
 
Emily1188 said:
Perhaps people should not waste their time worrying about my perfectly happy, healthy animals.
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No one was ever talking about YOUR animals in this thread until you brought them into it. And even since, most people still haven't been discussing YOUR dogs or YOUR choices. But since you continue to defend yourself, your pets, and your choices, despite not having been attacked on any of those fronts, it seems the axe you have to grind here goes a little beyond the empirical issue that everyone else is discussing.
 
Actually, no, it's normal for intact females to develop noticeable nipples without being bred. Picture example via a friend (and no, the dog has never been bred):

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I've never seen an intact female or a female that was spayed after maturity that looked significantly different.
 
How many pseudocyesis has she gone through?

That is the reason why "mature" females look like that. The extremely common tendency for false pregnancies. My mom's dog went through a heat without false pregnancy before she was spayed (8 months) and she did not develop large mammaries. That happens when the body prepares for a litter it isn't actually going to happen, and the false pregnancies increase the risk of pyometra.
 
Tinkerbeller87 said:
I don't think you quite understood Susan on this. The tumor was inside the animals abdomen and only found after exploratory surgery to be a testicle. When you take your animal to the vet because it isn't doing right only an experienced vet can feel a tumor that you cannot see. Even working for a vet I cannot feel, and am not trained to feel, a deformity inside the body of an animal. I also don't recall her calling it "rotting testicular cancer". Also how is an owner responsible for a tumor inside of their animals body that they are not trained to feel, like I mentioned earlier?
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In all fairness, while you are describing the one case I mentioned, Emily was referencing the maggot-infected ulcerated mammary tumor, which is not necessarily associated with neglect as it can happen over the course of a week-end.

All the references in the world can be cited. I'll still go by my 27+ years of experience as a veterinary technician, seeing hundreds of dogs and cats on a weekly basis.
 
Susan said:
In all fairness, while you are describing the one case I mentioned, Emily was referencing the maggot-infected ulcerated mammary tumor, which is not necessarily associated with neglect as it can happen over the course of a week-end.

All the references in the world can be cited. I'll still go by my 27+ years of experience as a veterinary technician, seeing hundreds of dogs and cats on a weekly basis.
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Sorry, the only thing i saw her mention was testicles so I guess I just assumed that she had read it wrong. I take that back then, I can admit when I must have been wrong. :shrugs:

I agree with you and definitely value your input, thanks again. :)
 
I would think that in addition to the health benefits that Susan stated on early spay/neuter, not having to look at dog nipples would be an added bonus!
Dogs that are pets don't NEED secondary sex characteristics imo.
 
This is not a proven fact but something that I have observed. If you have your animal fixed, they are more protective, & more in tuned with you. They aren't worried about breeding, they don't stray away from the house/yard because they aren't thinking about breeding. They are a healthier, happier, animal.
 
You know, something about this is bugging me...
Back in 1981 I adopted a greyhound from the local dog track. She had failed her maidens and was slated to be euthanized as she would not be making any money. She was born in 1978 according to the tatoo in her ear.

Back then my regular vet would not spay her, as she was afriad the anesthetic would prove dangerous, due to the way the greyhound is built and their metabolism. We suffered several heats with her in the house, in diapers, and it was quite horrible. Finally around 1983 or 1984 we found someone with the skill to do the spay.
Anyway, Abby never developed nipples even though she was older when she had the surgery.
I am wondering if it might have been because of the drugs she was put on to prevent her going into heat what....

I just talked to my mom and she thinks Abby was younger when we had it done, but I remember her having at least 2 heats confined to my sister's bedroom.
 
Susan, since this thread has been hijacked into a discussion of spay/neuter, can I ask you a question? In humans, the growth plates of the long bones close in response to pubertal hormones (ie, estrogen, progesterone & testosterone). Is this true in dogs & cats? And if so, does spaying/neutering WAY before the onset of puberty affect growth in them?

This is a serious question, not asked to start a fight. I have always waited until 6-12 months to neuter my cats, largely because that's what my parents did. I haven't had any of them have any health problems as a result. So I've wondered for several years if the very early neutering the rescues are doing is OK, or whether in the hands of someone who will keep their animal indoors &/or completely supervised it is better to wait a little longer. Any inputs for me?

Edit: I have lost several cats to cancer but 2 had lymphoma and one had colon cancer. Everyone else has died of pretty much simple old age between 17-20 years old, except for 2 cats with diabetes, both of which got complications of it (I should say I only had both of them for 1-2 years, and only long AFTER their diagnoses) and were euthanized.
 
I dont know the medical answer, but my male cat (he's mine, but lives at the parents place) is HUGE. He's not fat at all...just tall, and all muscle. At last weigh-in he was 19.5lbs.
I had him fixed as early as possible. I got him at 8weeks, asked the vet how early I could have him fixed, and made the apointment..I remember it being a long time between when I made the apointment and when we took him in but not how long.
He's a big tom cat, he hunts, fights and in general does everything that a big healthy boy kitty does(i wish he'd lay off the fights...keeping him indoors at this point is no option). He's bigger than my boyfriends parents male, badger, who has never been fixed and is probably only half as big.
I'm not presenting this as hard and fast evidance of anything, just my observations. :)
 
RosieReal said:
I dont know the medical answer, but my male cat (he's mine, but lives at the parents place) is HUGE. He's not fat at all...just tall, and all muscle. At last weigh-in he was 19.5lbs.
I had him fixed as early as possible. I got him at 8weeks, asked the vet how early I could have him fixed, and made the apointment..I remember it being a long time between when I made the apointment and when we took him in but not how long.
He's a big tom cat, he hunts, fights and in general does everything that a big healthy boy kitty does(i wish he'd lay off the fights...keeping him indoors at this point is no option). He's bigger than my boyfriends parents male, badger, who has never been fixed and is probably only half as big.
I'm not presenting this as hard and fast evidance of anything, just my observations. :)
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I have noticed in many cats that I have seen that are Neutered, they tend to get larger than their non-neutered counterparts.
 
Outcast said:
I have noticed in many cats that I have seen that are Neutered, they tend to get larger than their non-neutered counterparts.
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The sex hormones DO play a role in the closing of growth plates in the bones. This may have something to do with it. For this reason I wait until physical maturity to have my own pets altered, but unless you have a canine athlete I wouldn't worry about this. :)
 
My dog was neutered at 6 months, and he's probably a little taller than he'd otherwise be, and not as 'bulky', but he's happy and beautiful, and because he has hip dysplasia, I'm actually glad he's not going to put on the muscle mass an intact dog would.

So yes, neutering before full physical maturity will create a taller, less bulky animal in both cats and dogs.
 
Lucille said:
Post hoc ergo propter hoc, are we sure it is the neutering itself making these differences?
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Actually yes, because the sex hormones, when present in sufficient quantity and/or over sufficient time, cause the growth plates in the bone to ossify over. By drastically lowering these hormones, the bones grow for a longer period of time.

And if you've ever seen an intact tom versus an early neutered cat, you'll easily see the difference in bulk... and jowls.
 
I've had cats in the past that we have had spayed or neutered and typically it was done on all of them before the age of 1 yr. They did indeed get nice and "fluffy".

My cat I have now just turned a year old in April. I wonder if he too will become bigger considering his age at the time it was done?
Edit: I meant to also say he was just neutered a couple weeks ago.
 
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