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Hoping To See Dr. Kevorkian Tomorrow

Nanci

Alien Lover
(It'll keep me out way past my bedtime, but I am really interested in hearing him speak).

UF prepares for Kevorkian visit

By JACK STRIPLING
Sun staff writer
12:00 am, January 14, 2008

When Dr. Jack Kevorkian took to the podium at Wayne State University in late November, two University of Florida officials were looking on with interest.

"We just wanted to see what kind of reaction he got, and what kind of protest he got," said Lt. Stacy Ettel, a UF Police officer who's been intimately involved in planning security for Kevorkian's appearance at the O'Connell Center on Tuesday.

Kevorkian, an assisted suicide advocate, was released from prison in June after serving eight years of a 10- to 25-year sentence for killing a man with Lou Gehrig's disease. He says he assisted in the deaths of some 130 people, and has drawn the ire of pro-life groups and the praise of euthanasia advocates.

Kevorkian's speech at Wayne State, which took place at noon before a mostly student crowd of only about 200 people, didn't draw any notable protest. But that event, held in Detroit near Kevorkian's home, was really just a dry run for the controversial convicted murderer's first major post-prison speech at UF this week.

"I wanted him to have one small one under his bet before he went to Florida," said Mayer Morganroth, Kevorkian's attorney.

Ettel's 1,000-mile trek to Detroit to see Kevorkian reflects the high level of preparation for an event that's stirring up some anxiety among UF officials.

The Kevorkian appearance, which has drawn strong opposition from right-to-life groups, was postponed in October after the infamous "Don't Tase me bro" affair. UF Police drew scrutiny from some critics after that event, when a rowdy UF student was Tasered by police when he refused to leave a forum held with U.S. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass.

Just weeks after the Kerry speech, the university opened itself up to more criticism when UF students, donning hoods reminiscent Abu Ghraib detainees, stormed the stage unimpeded as former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales spoke on campus.

In the wake of these two incidents, UF speeches - once known for free flowing dialogue between the audience and the speaker - have looked quite different. Barriers have been erected in front of the speakers to prevent stage storming, and questions are submitted in advance and chosen at a moderator's discretion to prevent potential disruption.

Beth Waltrip, UF's director of student activities, said organizers have been forced to make the security at UF speaking engagements similar to what one might see at a rock concert.

If security concerns were heightened already after the Kerry and Gonzales speeches, there's additional cause for anxiety as the man dubbed "Dr. Death" prepares for a UF visit. Last week, UF received 1,167 e-mails - mostly form letters that appear to have circulated online - in opposition of the Kevorkian speech. That's on top of about 5,000 petitions UF previously received from a group headed by the brother of the late Terri Schiavo, a Florida woman who was removed from a feeding tube in high-profile battle.

Accent, the student-run speakers' bureau that invited Kevorkian, has taken its share of criticism. "I don't think we anticipated the level of response and just hatred," Waltrip said. "I know the Accent chair has been told more than once that he's going to hell, just for booking the program."

Accent, which is funded by student fees, is paying Kevorkian $50,000 for his appearance. The speakers' bureau's stated aim is to bring in guests that will stir up controversy, but Accent also pledges to book people who reflect diverse opinions. In recent years, Accent has welcomed conservative pundit Ann Coulter as well as Michael Moore, the left-wing filmmaker.

Katherine Schinn, president of UF's Pro Life Alliance, says she's extremely upset that her student fees are helping to pay a king's ransom to a suicide advocate and convicted murderer.

"We were told in no uncertain terms that there was nothing we could do in terms of preventing him from coming," said Schinn, who's group plans to protest in a designated area outside the O'Connell Center on Tuesday.

Schinn argues that Kevorkian's message is in conflict with the university's own suicide prevention programs on campus.

"I wonder why if we're so concerned about preventing suicide on campus, which is a valid concern, why would we want to promote pretty much the same thing?"

Steven Blank, chairman of Accent, said he's glad to see the opposition. "People are protesting and bringing out their views in a civil way," he said, "and that's exactly what we want."
 
I'll not say my views, nor ask you yours on this topic. I will, however, wish for non-violence and your safe return there and home.
 
I'll not say my views, nor ask you yours on this topic. I will, however, wish for non-violence and your safe return there and home.

That is the most diplomatic politically correct statement I have ever heard. Susan, you will never offend anyone behaving like that.

Nanci, be careful, Alot of Jack's patients never return.
 
That would be a very interesting speaker to go and see. To be quite honest (and I'm not trying to start something here, its just a comment) I don't know what my views are on the subject.
I would be interested in hearing what he has to say!
 
I'd really enjoy being at that debate, such an interesting subject and so many angles to consider. I've been asked by relatives of terminally ill patients if 'something to help them go' can be given and also had to deal with relatives trying to prevent adequate end of life pain control because they're terrified it will hasten the end of their loved ones.
 
I believe there is a list of pre-submitted questions for him. I don't know if there will be any live questions and answers.

My sister is a doctor, and when my dad was going through a very lengthy and unpleasant inevitable lingering death, he asked her to "do something," which of course she wouldn't.
 
I just can't ever understand the super emotional reactions that people sometimes have when somebody with opposing views is allowed to speak or write their opinions. Especially if the protester is moved to violence in opposition to a speaker they think is a proponent of some kind of violence - doesn't make any sense to me! I am not talking about just THIS speaker - but about any of the left or right wing speakers, such as those you mentioned. Why do people think it is ok to voice their own views, but opposing views should be suppressed in any way possible?

I have some pretty strong views on many subjects, but I can't imagine being so insecure in my beliefs that I would be afraid for those with opposing views to be heard as well.

It's beyond my comprehension.
 
Some people on this site are not very tolerant of views opposite their own. It is the same in the general population.

Frankly, my opinion is that a person should have control over their lives and be mature enough to accept whatever consequences, ethicial or morally, come from their actions.
 
I've got to agree with Kathy. Unfortunately people get caught up in the emotions of the subject and no longer use their reasoning ability. I personally won't participate in those types of discussions.
 
Unfortunately people get caught up in the emotions of the subject and no longer use their reasoning ability.

I'm not sure all people have the ability to reason since that requires the ability to think rationally in a logical manner........and I mean that in reference to many people that hold the same OR different views of mine. Views don't have to agree to be reached rationally based on logic and FACTS.

I'd love to see the talk, too.......but not at a site that has become so socialist as that one - unless I get to taser a cop (for once!) for being nonviolent, too!
KJ
 
Nanci.....? Are you not telling us something.....?

Happy to see that you've not made an 'appointment' :)

I will second Kathys statement ! However, I've also seen some pretty strong reactions on this site to personal opinion. That said, it doesn't stop me from speaking. There is diplomacy and respect for others opinon, even in disagreement. What I've found, being a liberal living in a conservative state, is that most don't really care what your opinion is, they just want to and strive to change it. Sometimes with completely fasle information, which is just amusing in my opinon.

I'd be completely interested to hear him speak.... fascinating Nanci - do report, won't you?

Tonya
 
Sometimes with completely fasle information, which is just amusing in my opinon.

Funny, but I feel the same way about most of the liberals I encounter locally. It's human nature, I think, regardless of opinion for SOME people to make up "facts" and for others to ignore actual facts they don't like. Personally, I don't care what ANYONE else believes as long as they leave me and mine alone - especially when own my own. Vegans don't have to eat meat, but when they try to say I can't, they become prey in my book. :)

Yeah, I think someone that takes money from my wallet for something that is against my will is a thief - even if they call themselves the .gov.....lol.
KJ
 
Vegans don't have to eat meat, but when they try to say I can't, they become prey in my book. :)

Yeah, I think someone that takes money from my wallet for something that is against my will is a thief - even if they call themselves the .gov.....lol.
KJ

Very well said KJUN! Kudos to you :)

Tonya
 
Thing is, we should realize that people can hold views that are different than our and as stated above, we shouldn't be so insecure that we can't discuss the issues and the views with them or our own views. I for one lean very heavily on the conservative side, and something that most of you here don't know is that I also am a pastor of a conservative church. I have found listening to some of you express your views on this site very enlightening and interesting. I don't agree with alot of it, but that doesn't mean I have the right to belittle and tear your beliefs down. I would listen to anyone's stand on a subject and allow them to tell me why they feel that way and would hope they would let me do the same. People get so afraid of anything different or issues/views that don't match up to their own and they respond with rudeness, attacking, belittling and the like.

I personally do not agree with Kevorikan nor his practices. I have seen alot of death, sitting at the bedsides of those dying. I have seen many people suffer, and I wished there were things I could do for them, but there are lines that I am leary of crossing....anyway, not trying to give my view here, but saying that to say this, even though I don't agree with him, I would find it interesting and would go if I lived nearby.

Another interesting side note: If you take the Bible as truth, it is interesting to see that Jesus went to people who had different views then himself, if you look at world religions, Mohammed, Buddha, kept open minds and conversed. Great scientist, philosophers, and thinkers down through the year who may have been agnostic or atheist or not even sure what they believed, kept an open mind. It is when you have people on all sides, wanting to jump in the ring to start throwing punches over another's view is where the problems begin.
 
Now that the debate is starting to open up, can I ask the question?
Where do we draw the line?
If we allow the termination of terminally ill people, Will we then start to look at others that we think need to be terminated? Is it really our decision to terminate someone?
If they want to go should we help? As it is a killing which ever way you look at it.
MIKE
 
I've been involved in this dilemma both personally and professionally.
When my oldest two boys were born very prematurely I was given the option on whether to give them a chance or not. I was also asked what would I want to do if their (many) brain scans showed signs of damage, or if their organs started to fail.
Professionally I have sat with families facing the decision to switch off life support for a loved one, and as part of the crash team involved in resucitation I've been asked whether to continue the resus or to stop (every member involved is asked and the attempt isn't stopped until all agree).
I'm a fairly articulate person, and I couldn't even begin to tell how it feels to be involved in these decisions. There's no concrete rights or wrongs. Opinions will always differ. Strong emotions will be evoked.
 
I think it is human nature to try to convince others that your opinions are the correct ones. And when people debate logically and calmly, sometimes opinions ARE changed. And when they aren't changed, at least those on opposite sides gain some understanding of WHY others have a different view. And maybe you will see SOME merit to the other side, even if they don't convince you they are totally correct. But screaming and kicking doesn't serve to convince anyone of anything, except that you might represent a bunch of crazy people, lol!

Anything other than respect and calmness in a debate is just so counterproductive that people wouldn't act any other way if they bothered (or were capable) of stopping to think rationally about it. (You might guess that I really enjoy a good debate - I have occasionally - but not often - had my own views changed when somebody made some good points I didn't know or hadn't thought about).
 
I would just like to say that:

1. It is refreshing to see a thread about a controversial subject where the people participating are not throwing rocks at one another. This is a nice, mature thread. Way to go guys!:dancer:

2. I would also be very interested in the Dr.'s opinions because, as a Therapeutic Horseback Riding Instructor, I teach many people with all types of mental and physical impairments. Many of them cannot speak, and it is hard to tell if something hurts them or how happy they are on any given day. I have also had students who, because of some organ failure (usually heart), have never returned to class after a lengthy stay in the hospital. I am very torn on this subject, but find it interesting to discuss.

I also am extremely liberal, and at some level really want people who are in pain to have a choice on how long they live. However, I see so many people who are deemed "useless" or "helpless" or "vegetables" really overcome their disabilities in order to say, walk for the first time or talk for the first time. That is soooo rewarding and amazing! I know these are different things at some level, but that is how I think about this controversy--in terms of my students.

I honestly cannot say what side (of course, there must be some grey area, so taking sides isn't entirely approriate) I would be on.
 
I can understand how someone who is going to die may not want to go through the pain and suffering, and will want dignity in there death. But I am the Devils Advocate....
I breed dogs (sometimes) We have taken valued family pets to be put down.. Such a sad thing to do even though we know it's for the best...And I've cried rivers over it...
But because we think it's the norm to put sick animals down, we also kill the weak animals that are born because we know they wouldn't have a *normal* life..
How many generations would it take for us to think that applies to humans if we start to allow termination....
Just a thought
MIKE
 
Yes, all one has to think of is something like the Holocaust, and it puts things into a different perspective.

I won't talk any more about that as it is a personal subject for me. :)
 
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