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ReverseAlbinoOkeetee

ReverseAlbinoOkeetee

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i need to put my mind at ease so can some body please tell me what kind of corns i have please? and when bred what will they make!? ive gotten so many different answers.. ill take as many pics as needed i just need ANSWERS!!:realhot:

this is my Male RO

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My Female Sunglow

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and then this.... im not sure what she is

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so thats what i got...any ideas? im positive on the 1st 2 its the 3rd i need hellp with

what are my breeding possibilities?

thanks in advance!
 
I'd also say the third one looks like a Creamsilce (corn + emoryi hybrid).

Reverse Okeetee and Sunglow are both genetically amelanistic. RO is selectively bred to show bright colours and wide white saddle borders. Sunglow is the opposite with absolutely no white what so ever.

If you breed your Reverse Okeetee with the Sunglow, you'll most likely get babies that look "something in between". More white than mommy has, less white than daddy has. So you'll most likely get very nice and brightly coloured Amels...but still they're "only" regular Amels.

As amels are less valuable than nice Sunglows and RO's, AND Amels are the most common morph and without any nice hets very difficult to sell, I'd say breeding these two together would not be very...wise... But that's only my opinion.

Also breeding the RO to Creamsicle would produce amel-looking Creamsicles. Still they're Creamsicles assuming the mom is a hybrid. Not pure corns that is.

So I'd try to find a nice Sunglow male to the Sunglow female and hope for superb Sunglow babies. Also I'd look forexample an Abbott's Okeetee female for the RO male. Those would produce Okeetees and maybe Reverse Okeetees, if the mom is het. Amel.
 
OK...good photos for identification (you get a gold star :) )!

They are all genetically amelanistic. The first one is a really terrific Reverse Okeetee! The second is a nice sunglow and the third I would call a nice amel. I personally don't see anything that screams creamsicle to me. The color could easily be in the normal range for amels or may be from being het caramel. If you purchased the snake as a creamsicle, then you have to treat it as such and label all it's offspring as creamsicles, but I'm really not into calling every yellowish amel a creamsicle based solely upon the color. I see nothing unusual about the saddles or head pattern either.

Breeding them together will produce all amels (unless there are hidden hets). Personally, I would try to find better mates for the RO and the sunglow to produce more of the same, especially the RO. IMO, breeding it to anything else would simply be a waste of someone's years worth of selective breeding. Don and Kathy produce super RO with that lovely deep orange ground color like yours has. The thick bordered but pale ground colored "RO's" need to be classified as something else, IMO.
 
Susan said:
OK...good photos for identification (you get a gold star :) )!

They are all genetically amelanistic. The first one is a really terrific Reverse Okeetee! The second is a nice sunglow and the third I would call a nice amel. I personally don't see anything that screams creamsicle to me. The color could easily be in the normal range for amels or may be from being het caramel. If you purchased the snake as a creamsicle, then you have to treat it as such and label all it's offspring as creamsicles, but I'm really not into calling every yellowish amel a creamsicle based solely upon the color. I see nothing unusual about the saddles or head pattern either.

Breeding them together will produce all amels (unless there are hidden hets). Personally, I would try to find better mates for the RO and the sunglow to produce more of the same, especially the RO. IMO, breeding it to anything else would simply be a waste of someone's years worth of selective breeding. Don and Kathy produce super RO with that lovely deep orange ground color like yours has. The thick bordered but pale ground colored "RO's" need to be classified as something else, IMO.
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I agree with Susan, that bold RO is so good I'd want one of similar quality to breed it to. The only other thing would be with a blood-red, to work towards fires with that colouring.
 
First Pic
is of a fine example of a Reverse Okeetee which is a albino corn with nice white boardes around the saddles


Second Pic is a Cream Creamsicle and is a hybrid. a sunglow is a bright orange corn with no white boardes. much like your animal but with more rich orange color


You will get all amel ( albino ) corns some more light orange like your cream and some more like the Reverse Okeetee. Most of the young should be light orange.

I would not waste the Reverse Okeetee by breeding it to the cream . That is a real nice example of a Reverse Okeetee.
 
I would say theyed sell for around 20-40 pounds
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Bear in mind that the OP is in America not UK, so prices will be different. Also there are many breeders/sellers in and around Florida, this will affect pricing. You need to be aware of local conditions (as per the thread where we're advising you on how much you can get for your Amel & Normal).

Although all three of the Corns pictured are likely to be Amel-based, selectively bred variations like RO will increase the price.

And I think the OP was asking for identification and not value.
 
bitsy said:
Bear in mind that the OP is in America not UK, so prices will be different. Also there are many breeders/sellers in and around Florida, this will affect pricing. You need to be aware of local conditions (as per the thread where we're advising you on how much you can get for your Amel & Normal).

Although all three of the Corns pictured are likely to be Amel-based, selectively bred variations like RO will increase the price.

And I think the OP was asking for identification and not value.
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Good observation there, points given.

BTW to the OP I forgot about the third pic I would say the 2 bottom pic's are creamsicle
 
Creamsicle Amel Creamsicle Amel ......oh boy the nightmare never ends....

ill tell you what though she is HUGE for a corn

i always thought her head and eyes looked weird to me compared to my other corns

I work in a Reptiles Pet Store and come across alot of Rat and Corn snakes and IMO i always thought she had more of a Rat snake look to her.....

so based on all that can we safely call her a Creamsicle?

i can take more pics of her head and eyes etc if need be i just wanna put this to rest

thanks everyone for Replying

i think my breeding plans will be to find a really nice RO like mine but Female and maybe a Ultramel for my sunglow

what do you think?

and do you know of anyone where i can get those?
 
The idea of 'sunglow' varries from person to person. Some are willing to accept a little white, some absolutely none. Yet others need absolutely no white AND vivid color contrasts. Take my Dier, for example: She has great color... but far too much white to be considered a sunglow. As you can see, she's much more vibrant than your amel that is entirely lacking in white.
 

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very pretty!!

but nonetheless mine is still a sunglow? just not as contrasted

idc if she is or not the reason i wanted the ultramel was to breed to her to make more ultramels....unless im wrong again...
 
Like I said, it depends on definition. Some would say "yes", that her lacking white is enough. Others (myself included) would say "no, she's a nice amel" because the colors don't pop. She doesn't "glow".

So you can probably still call her that, but be aware that not everyone will consider her one.
 
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