Moderation Lunacy

[snakemom1961]

YEP, Absolutely ridiculous. I would love to see that pic of the snake eating the chick posted and see what is said. to me THAT would be funny! It's neither a mammal or a reptile so it should be allowed just like cricket feeding pics should be allowed right?

I've never been there and from the sounds of it I have found the best reptile site on the 'net right here. Thanks for trying to instill some sense into those mods even if it didn't help.

 

[SPJ]

I don't care for that board. They have deleted posts of mine there several times. If you post that a baby BP would be happier in a 15 qt tub versus a 55 gallon tank, you get told you do not care about the snake.

Hmm. Feeding anoles. I wonder if this has anything to do with the viper boa that feeds on anole scented pinks. I got blasted on that site for posting a picture of me holding the anole that was used as a scenter. How dare I pick up an anole and use him that way when they are such wonderful creatures. You should never handle anoles and you should absolutely NEVER use one to scent prey. I explained that using him to scent was better than using him as a feeder. He got to live confortably in exchange for 5 minutes of "work" each week. Did NOT go over well.
I never posted feeding pics but just mentioning the subject caused a mob mentality with the anole keepers.

 

[Drizzt80]

Bottom line: It's a disgusting result of the PC-ness of the world we are being forced to live in.

I think it's utterly ridiculous and is a sad commentary on where humans are taking the theory of evolution. Instead of the strong surviving we are creating a society where the weak are the "strongest". Weak of mind, weak of heart, weak of stomach, weak of spirit, etc. etc. etc.

D80

PS. I was hoping the title was leading into a discussion on what a lunatic Dean is . . . :shrugs:

 

[Roy Munson]

PS. I was hoping the title was leading into a discussion on what a lunatic Dean is . . . :shrugs:

"Who are you calling a psycho?" -Roy Munson, "Kingpin" :grin01:

 

[desertanimal]

Banning pics of snakes feeding is D-U-M dumb.

 

[kathylove]

Sad, but unfortunately, not surprising.

I have not been to that forum, and I try to steer away from forums that are too heavily moderated so they can be politically correct. It doesn't sound like a place I need to check out.

I do believe that it would be very tasteless and disrespectful to go to a corn forum and post photos of corns being eaten, or anoles being eaten on an anole forum, although I see nothing inherently wrong with those photos if it is the natural food of the animal being photographed. I really like corns and other herps a lot, but logic dictates that they are not more "worthy" of life than other animals. But there is a time and place for everything.

However, I can't see anything wrong in posting corns eating natural food items on a corn forum, or beardies eating what is natural for them on a beardie forum, etc. It wouldn't hurt to have a tag warning the sensitive people away, as has been stated. Those people may need to learn to face reality, but it is not our job to teach it to them.

OK, now for my personal view rant...

I see this as just a continuation of not only political correctness, but also "our" (developed countries) isolation from most of nature, including a hand in producing our own food.

I have met so many potential snake keepers over the years who couldn't get over the hurdle of feeding mice - live or even f/t - that I have begun to become more and more disappointed in a culture that removes the average person so far from nature. When I ask that person (who can't deal with mice in his freezer) if he is a vegetarian, the answer is almost always no. When I ask how he can stand the idea of cows with big, beautiful, brown eyes being kept in his freezer, the answer is always something akin to not wanting to think about it.

I find this very common disconnect with reality to be distressing and disappointing. I can respect a vegetarian who decides (whether for health, ecological, moral, or whatever reasons) to control their own behavior to comply with their own values. But I can't have a lot of respect for somebody who can't come to grips with the reality of carnivorous humans or other animals, yet isn't willing to think about the situation logically or to stop eating meat if it distresses them so much. I think it would be really great if everyone had to spend some time raising, killing and processing some of their own meat (even a few chickens or rabbits) if they are willing to eat meat. I have done this myself for several years. It is not pleasant, but I feel such an experience would ground a person in reality and give him an appreciation for the reality of the "chain of life". If everyone went through such an experience, I feel they would be able to think much more logically about what other animals eat, as well as how they live in the wild. Most of our grandparents did this as a matter of course, but we seem to think meat is manufactured someplace in little plastic packages - much more sanitary and pleasant than the reality.

I feel that a lot of the "humaniac" animal rights faction is made up of idealistic people who have a vision of Bambi frolicking about in the woods with the other cute animals, living a life full of sniffing the flowers and nibbling grass. They may know somewhere in the recesses of their brains that it really doesn't work that way, but some people are able to still concentrate on what the world "should be" rather than the way it is. If we all had to spend several months of our lives raising and preparing our own meat, I think there might be more vegetarians (and I am not saying this is good or bad, just a likely fact), but everyone would have a more realistic view of life. It is my strong belief that if you are not willing to participate in the whole procedure, at least once, then it is not right to be willing to consume meat as if it was manufactured in plastic covered boxes.

Sorry for the long rant, but this facet of modern life has been a growing worry of mine for a long time.

 

[plasticknives]

I don't understand why a warning label couldn't fix that problem. It's not our responsibility to make sure that the people who don't want to deal with reality never have to face it....

Absolutely ridiculous !!! It is natural behavior for a snake to eat this way and why would you not be able to share pictures of this. Sounds like typical left wing liberalism to me. The minority making the rules for the majority, I don't get it. :bang: Thats the problem with everything now a days. Too many people trying to be politically correct because they are afraid of whose feelings will be hurt. I know that profanity isn't allowed here but this is utter B******T ! Kind of funny how this reflects on other things that are going on in the world today. :shrugs:
Jay

:-offtopic
I'm sorry, I have to point out-

This is NOT "typical left wing liberalism".
It's stifling, and is obviously not very left wing or "liberal" at all.....



And sometimes I don't think society understands the whole idea. Everyone rags on "political correctness", but it only sucks because no one seems to get it.
It's like.... if people admit difference, its the end of them?

Equality has become a meaningless term. It should really be "totally-different-but-just-as-good" or something.

Who's going to deny that males are different than females, or black people are different than white people? Only people who are...deluded.
HOWEVER. They ARE just as deserving of the same rights and oppertunities.
People can't seem to understand the subtle difference between sameness and equality. ARGH. Men, on average, are bigger and stronger than females. IT'S A FACT. Black people have dark skin. IT'S A FACT. But being politically correct doesn't mean denying that, it means acknowledging the difference, and still treating people with respect.

I also hate the word "tolerance."
It implies that well, you can dislike it, but you have to tolerate it anyways. It should be acceptance, or education, or somthing else more relevant. The word 'tolerance' always gives me an image of a bunch of white men looking ....silently disapproving.

 

[SnakeAround]

Kate and plasticknives, you have spoken so well!

 

[Russell]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to kathylove again.

Kathy, I couldn't agree with you more! Way way too many people are removed from real nature! Something I don't intend to let my daughter go through her formal years without. But she's already got a good handle on it. The other day while cleaning rodents she snuck off with a baby mouse. I didn't remember which tub she'd swiped it from but had a few hungry snakes so...

Rebecca, give me the mouse..

No! My mouse!

Rebecca, Daddy needs to feed the snake.

Feed Snake! *rushes over to the cages and lifts mouse up in the air*

LOL! She didn't want to give up her mouse to me, but was more than willing to feed a snake. There was a bit of time I wondered how that would affect her, helping raise these rodents just to see Daddy feeding them to the snakes. But she seems to be taking this all in stride better than I could ever imagine. And I told myself, yes, those disconnected with reality would scream I was being a bad parent. Where I think she's getting a hold of what life is all about. And funny to think I was thinking of getting a friend to help me raise a few chickens just to let her see the whole process from feed store to her plate.

But this all is getting WAY off the original track. Yes, reptiles eat rodents. Have a nice day...LOL!

 

[SnakeAround]

Russel that is a great story and your girl is an excellent example of the fact that nature is very simple and logic if you are not brain washed with political correct propaganda (yet).

 

[The Nothing]

Topic aside for a moment....
I think it rather poor play to come to another forum to talk trash on a different forum.

If you don't like the rules, leave, and be done. Why run off elsewhere and trash talk it?



now, coming back to the topic...
i run a few forums, moderate a few others...
and i've never been to the "offending" site...

never really understood the necessity of posting feeding pictures. Granted, i have before, but only a small percentage of what i post. There are some people that post almost nothing BUT feeding pictures. Guess what - I have 30 snakes. I know what they look like when they eat. Thanks. I've not bothered to open a thread that hinted that it had feeding pics. Feeding snakes doesn't bother me, but i've seen it all before. And, in all honesty, feeding pics are definitely not the most flattering images you can take of your animal. Just like that pic of you that was taken right as you were taking a bite out of that hotdog.... if you catch what i'm saying...

One of the sites I help moderate has adopted a "no bite pics" policy. The reason behind this comes from all the legislation that has been popping up everywhere the last couple years. These pictures help fuel the reptile-haters. Feeding pictures can easily do the same thing...

 

[diamondlil]

At work I was saying how cute my huge pinky pile was, when a colleague said 'Hang on, how can you say they're cute, you're going to feed them to your snakes?' I daren't tell them that last week I went to see if a farmer friend had any dexter calves yet (hopefully this week), and was scratching his bull on the nose while he was telling me about the carcass weights for last years bullocks. Seeing the calves and admiring them doesn't stop me from wishing I had a big enough freezer for some of the beef.
I don't see affection for meat animals as wierd, it was the way I was brought up. I believe distancing yourself from the process is what allows abuse to happen.
Anyway, as I said before that policy was why I stopped going to RR last year.

 

[Nanci]

Topic aside for a moment....
I think it rather poor play to come to another forum to talk trash on a different forum.

If you don't like the rules, leave, and be done. Why run off elsewhere and trash talk it?

I think it's ok to present your Other Site experiences to your friends with a common interest. I've never visited RR, and I can see by Joe's post that it's over-moderated and it would be a waste of my time since I don't care for that atmosphere. Deleting his posts? Come on!

Nanci

 

[kathylove]

It doesn't seem like anyone is going overboard - interesting discussion, I think. Besides, I believe the O.P. said he tried to discuss it with the mod, or even on the site, and they just deleted his posts and would not respond to his emails. If true, then that doesn't leave much choice if he still feels the need to discuss it. That's what happens in overmoderated forums - people have to go elsewhere to discuss what bothers them. Seems fair to me.

But yes, I would rather just avoid the "offending" forum myself, although I would have missed this discussion if that had happened.

 

[Schnarf]

I have a couple of points.

tigers to enter or hang around villages to make off with young children and for dingos to enter tents and make off with baby humans

This is not natural behaviour. Humans are not the mainstay of a tigers/dingoes diet while it does happen on occassion, it tends to be one or two rogue animals who spot an easy meal and take the opportunity, then realise that its easier than actually hunting. Its also happened within Chimp society where a rogue animal starting taking babies and attacking small children. If this was 100% natural behaviour, then animal parks/zoos/sanctuaries would be feeding babies to their animals, which doesnt happen!


Secondly, Im a huge fan of rodents and have had a rodent of some description as a pet for most of my life, however it doesnt stop me feeding the snake!
Fish gotta swim, bird gotta fly, snakes gotta eat a rodent or they die!
I cant understand why feeding pics would offend reptile owners. Im curious as to what they do regarding feeding their own reptiles?!

 

[SnakesRule1234]

Fish gotta swim, bird gotta fly, snakes gotta eat a rodent or they die!

:-offtopic That rhymes.... lol
I think its ok to see pics of snakes eating but I might be offended seeing lizards eating lizards...