New Dwarf Nic Boa

[tricksterpup]

CAM,
I gotta tell you, this snake looks like Fluffy. lol

 

[tricksterpup]

Cam, that is a BEAUTIFUL snake!!! Do you know how jealous I am that you live near Jim, Sherry AND the guru? You all have the most beautimus animals. Don't be surprised when I come to sack out on J&S's couch if we don't come knocking on your door so I can get a tour of your beauties!

sure not a problem but be warned you will be frisked and checked multiple times before you leave our place in case any snakes turn up missing. :grin01:

 

[Cam5]

Is Fluffy a Mexican Boa?

Here are the Mexican Boa Pics I was able to find...
it does not look like they have the cross on the head?
Does fluffy have a cross?

http://www.boa-constrictors.com/com/imperator/Mexiko/mexicana.html

http://www.riobravoreptiles.com/boas_mexico.htm

Nic Dwarf Pics...
http://foxloft.com/photo?id=170

 

[Cam5]

CAM,
I gotta tell you, this snake looks like Fluffy. lol

They do look A LOT alike...wanna set up a play date?...LOL

Cam, that is a BEAUTIFUL snake!!! Do you know how jealous I am that you live near Jim, Sherry AND the guru? You all have the most beautimus animals. Don't be surprised when I come to sack out on J&S's couch if we don't come knocking on your door so I can get a tour of your beauties!

Thanks When you sack out on their couch be sure to give me a call and stop by...we can all caravan and go knockin on The Guru's door:cheers:

Nic boa babies are known for being very aggressive. They take a lot of handling and some time before they calm down. RTBs are def more laid back.

Good to know...this guy I believe was used to being fed outside of his 'house' so he associates being taken out with 'time to eat'...The Guru was great about giving me pointers and how to work with him...between him and Mr and (nearly) Mrs Tricksterpup I should be in good shape
Jim's SO gave me the how to handle a "BP 101" lesson...
aka "Balls For Dummies":laugh: It sound VERY basic but I am so used to the corn snakes that the BP is a very different snake as far as handling etc.

I still think those 2 need to WRITE A BOOK...hint hint hint:duck:

 

[Cam5]

sure not a problem but be warned you will be frisked and checked multiple times before you leave our place in case any snakes turn up missing. :grin01:

Is Annie or Selu going to do the frisking?

 

[LBoz]

sure not a problem but be warned you will be frisked and checked multiple times before you leave our place in case any snakes turn up missing. :grin01:

Yeah, yeah....promises, promises! :laugh:

Thanks When you sack out on their couch be sure to give me a call and stop by...we can all caravan and go knockin on The Guru's door

Wow, do you think he'd let such a motley crew in the door?

Is Annie or Selu going to do the frisking?

I don't know Annie, but I'd LOVE to have Selu wrapped around me!!

But much to Jimmy's chagrin, it would be Sherry I'd be kidnapping. I swear that girl was my twin in another life! *loves her to bits!*

 

[Cam5]

Wow, do you think he'd let such a motley crew in the door?

How could he resist?!
(If he didn't the neighbors would wonder why a dude and three gals were banging on his door)

I don't know Annie, but I'd LOVE to have Selu wrapped around me!!

But much to Jimmy's chagrin, it would be Sherry I'd be kidnapping. I swear that girl was my twin in another life! *loves her to bits!*

Hehehe...Annie is their 130+ pound 15 foot Burmese Python...I take Annie over Selu any day:cheers:

 

[LBoz]

I like to live on the wild side. Bring on the angry selu. I'll have her eating my hand....I mean...eating out of my hand in no time!

 

[Chip]

Nic boa babies are known for being very aggressive. They take a lot of handling and some time before they calm down. RTBs are def more laid back.

Just my experience, but I've gotten to the point that my fingers are too tender to try any more! I have a lot of pissy snakes in my collection. These are so much worse than any bull, king, Asian rat of the same size. The teeth simply dig in deeper. I *think* I can take a bite with the best of 'em with a smile on my face, but the little boas HURT!

 

[Cam5]

Just my experience, but I've gotten to the point that my fingers are too tender to try any more! I have a lot of pissy snakes in my collection. These are so much worse than any bull, king, Asian rat of the same size. The teeth simply dig in deeper. I *think* I can take a bite with the best of 'em with a smile on my face, but the little boas HURT!

Ooooo...not what I wanted to hear
I'll let you know how it goes or if Tricksters SO is getting a Christmas guft

 

[Chip]

Don't let my experience sway ya. Just sayin' I have 4 Colombians that never bite, and two Nics 2/3rds the size that have bitten past my threshold.
Edit: bite past my threshold. I got tagged tonight.

 

[Cam5]

Don't let my experience sway ya. Just sayin' I have 4 Colombians that never bite, and two Nics 2/3rds the size that have bitten past my threshold.
Edit: bite past my threshold. I got tagged tonight.

Hmmm...so you are saying I should get a Colombian as a backup?

How big are the Colombians? (just curious) and do they have natural dwarfs in their lines?

Any pics?

 

[tricksterpup]

Hmmm...so you are saying I should get a Colombian as a backup?

How big are the Colombians? (just curious) and do they have natural dwarfs in their lines?

Any pics?

Cam, don't you remember seeing mine? lol
And as for natural dwarfs those are the island sub species.
Personally I dont think you want a 6 foot 20 pound snake, remember Kaa? He is my adult RTB. He is a bit over 6 feet long and a big guy. Very nice snake mind you but still you gotta play caution to the wind. They can be aggressive, like any other snake.
From talking to you, I think this is not the snake for you.

 

[Cam5]

Cam, don't you remember seeing mine? lol
And as for natural dwarfs those are the island sub species.
Personally I dont think you want a 6 foot 20 pound snake, remember Kaa? He is my adult RTB. He is a bit over 6 feet long and a big guy. Very nice snake mind you but still you gotta play caution to the wind. They can be aggressive, like any other snake.
From talking to you, I think this is not the snake for you.

Hehehe...i remember...but I did not see his head since his teeth were in the way
Ooooo...nope, nothing for me over 10 pounds.
I will just visit you guys to get my 'big snake' fix

 

[Cam5]

Was Kaa the beautiful snake who was in a bad mood, above where your BTSkink was?
So...are Colombians the same species as a RTB?
I have seen a couple sites that use the terms interchangeably...

Also...I am glad you brought up the weight issue...
To me snakes are deceptively heavy for their size as compared to any other animal species. While lizards etc tend to look heavier than they are...


Even the Burms...they are OBVIOUSLY a huge snake....
but until you go to (try to) pick one up you cannot imagine they sheer weight in muscle...
Even our little adult Ball Python feels heavier than his little chuncky body would suggest him to be...especially when lifting him in and out of his enclosure...

 

[tricksterpup]

Was Kaa the beautiful snake who was in a bad mood, above where your BTSkink was?
So...are Colombians the same species as a RTB?
I have seen a couple sites that use the terms interchangeably...

this may be jumbled thoughts here but I am going to touch a few things on boas.

The "big" constrictor like boas in South and Central America are called Red Tail Boas. From there we have the different subspecies.
The 2 main species we see are
Boa constrictor imperator (BCI)
B. c. constrictor
Now People have stated that BCI's tend to be smaller. I believe the hogg island subspecies fall under these sub category. They are stated to be a smaller snake, but I know there is a picture floating around here with a woman holding a 6 foot hogg. This thing is huge.
Now most island animals do become dwarves due food supply issue. One of my favorite known discoveries was the Dwarf Wooly Mammoth and dwarf elephants.
More on Insular dwarfism

There is also a show that was done by National Geographic with Dr. Jesus Rivas. This show takes place in Cozumel where years ago a bunch of RTBs were released after a movie filming. These snakes took off like gang busters, breeding and eating the native fauna. As time progressed these snakes are over populating the island and are typically smaller than the mainland cousins. As the show theorized its due to food supply, snakes do now grow when food is scarce. Unlike our pets at home who may get a meal every week to 2 weeks. These guys are lucky to find food every 2 months. I have a copy of this episode on my pc that I can pass along to you.

But personally its hard to tell if you get a fully blooded dwarf snake at all. There are rumor abound that when get a hogg it may not be a full blooded one and be out crossed with a BCC or larger BCI. Hence you can get yourself a large snake. So as Always you have to throw caution to the wind and do research on your breeder.

 

[tricksterpup]

Was Kaa the beautiful snake who was in a bad mood,

Kaa was in the larger cage on the left of the room, below Selu. Who you saw in that cage was Chance, who is a bit more aggressive in cage.

 

[Cam5]

But personally its hard to tell if you get a fully blooded dwarf snake at all. There are rumor abound that when get a hogg it may not be a full blooded one and be out crossed with a BCC or larger BCI. Hence you can get yourself a large snake. So as Always you have to throw caution to the wind and do research on your breeder.

Very interesting reading on the dwarfism in mammals etc.
And helpful information (not jumbled thoughts at all)...

It is a point definitely everyone should keep in mind that when you are dealing with any animal it can be smaller or considerably larger than average once full grown...one of the reasons (besides $$$) that I was not heavily pursuing hatchling dwarf anything...
at any rate...knowing the boy we have is about 3 years old (mostly full grown) was a big plus for me.

Kaa was in the larger cage on the left of the room, below Selu. Who you saw in that cage was Chance, who is a bit more aggressive in cage.

Hmmmm...it is all coming back to me now
It was a bit overwhelming (in a good way) meeting your crew...:cheers:

Thanks for the info!

 

[The Snake Guru]

Looking fantastic!

Such a handsome devil.

~B~

 

[Cam5]

Looking fantastic!

Such a handsome devil.

~B~

Hehehe...yes sir he is