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new hatchling........coming soon.

THANK YOU PEOPLE.................very much, and i am serious. this has been an "eye-opener" if you can imagine. all of the posts and responses have been fabulous and well needed. not to throw down a sob story, but we have been in this town for 4 years and really still have not met any friends to "hang out" with so to speak. for me, this site is what i consider friends and have even personally met one so far (pcar=paul) and hopefully will meet some more in the future. thanks again for all the remarks.

as for brumating............i guess she has been brumating the last 10 1/2 years? :shrugs:

as for the lock-up pics.........i don't have any pics, but to be honest........i did not even know the male still had a hemipenes (much less one of them that worked). :shrugs:
 
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THANK YOU PEOPLE.................very much, and i am serious. this has been an "eye-opener" if you can imagine. all of the posts and responses have been fabulous and well needed. not to throw down a sob story, but we have been in this town for 4 years and really still have not met any friends to "hang out" with so to speak. for me, this site is what i consider friends and have even personally met one so far (pcar=paul) and hopefully will meet some more in the future. thanks again for all the remarks.
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hey, I am glad that you and i met in person. I have been in the San Antonio Area for going on 15 years now, and I still don't have many people that I would want to "hang out" with. You are welcome to come visit and just "hang out" whenever you want. just call and let us know before hand so we can get a BBQ together.
 
Update............

well, where to start? Denise is 18 weeks pregnant now and started "spotting" a tad bit on christmas day and the day after it got a little worse as she started cramping. her parents left to go back home (while mine are on the way down for a 2nd christmas). she called her doctor, which was out of town and then spoke to his nurse who tried to find the "on-call" replacement and he had already gone home for the day. so yesterday evening she called the clinic since it was after-hours and they said we should probably go to the ER, as they did not have ultra-sound available.

(6:00 pm)walking into the hospital was like walking into a room of disease and death.........at least 25 people in the waiting room with kids "hacking and coughing" all over the place. knowing that being around this atmosphere was not the best thing to do we decided to go to the clinic anyway to see if we could be seen without having the wait.

(7:00 pm)once we got into a room there, a nurse came in and said "aren't you the pregnant woman with the bleeding, you are probably having a mis-carriage and need to go back to the ER as we aren't going to be able to do anything for you"............... :eek: YOU DON'T JUST COME OUT AND SAY SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO WORRIED PARENTS. never really felt like punching a woman as much as i did then. anyway, the receptionist at the clinic told us as we were leaving to go to the OB/Labor-Delivery section of the hospital instead of the ER so we might get taken care of quicker. by now she had stopped the spotting and was not cramping as bad, she also just wanted to go home as our 15 year old and 10 year old were there alone. we both decided that something needed to be done and just to get it over with.

we drove back to the hospital, (7:45 pm) checked into the ER department and waited amongst the sick for about 30 minutes when we decided to try the advice and go find the Labor section. once upstairs we found the area and talked to a nurse about what was going on. she put us in a room, started checking vitals (bp was 154/104), hooked up an iv, started doing blood work and tried to use the little cheap doppler to find a heartbeat. normally she said that anyone under 20 weeks are usually not admitted this quickly but since they were not that busy then we would just go on with it. also confirmed to us that in the 16-19 week period there have been known to be some bleeding when the person has been on their feet too long or worked harder than they were supposed to and it might not be anything to worry about. well, christmas dinner was not an easy chore and it is hard to stay seated during an entire holiday season. obviously with our dr. being gone, they found the "on-call" dr. at the hospital to come and check things out. she could not find anything either but said that we needed to wait for the actual sonogram tech to come in with her machine for verification.

(9:30 pm) we actually get the confirmed news that the fetus has no movement or heartbeat. it measured out to be 16 weeks and 2 days according to their machine, which would possibly put the time of death 1-2 weeks ago. :eek1: :cry: :shrugs: the lady dr. was just a family practitioner, so she called in for an actual labor dr. to go over the options.

(10:30 pm) the newest dr. arrives fresh from home in her housecoat and proceeds to explain possibly what is going on: not to feel as if it were our fault, something in the chromosomes did not match up, whether to do a "d&c" or induce labor, etc...........and what we came out of it with was since it was under 20 weeks and had gotten that far in gestation, she highly recommended inducing labor to bring the fetus out naturally. she said that a "d&c" ,or "abortion" as i would call it, would be a very ugly mess with possibly heavy bleeding on Denise's part. according to her, they would induce labor, the water would break and the fetus should come out all fairly quickly. the time consuming process would be with the placenta removal.

(11:45 pm) started the pain-killers, sleep aids, medications and suppository pills to help induce the labor.

(10:30 am) writing this post while waiting on her body to takes it's course.

obviously, the initial shock is over. would not wish this on anyone whatsoever and we have decided to not see/hold/touch the fetus once it arrives. personal reasons for sure, but i think we need to leave well enough alone and move on. seeing our little baby is not going to help cope with the loss as it would most definitely leave a lasting impression in our minds and hearts that should not be there. my wife is 41 years old and we knew from the beginning that women getting pregnant over 40 have a higher risk of giving birth to a baby with malfunctions.....the most common is downs syndrome. and the way it was explained to us was that something was "just not right" with this baby and it lacked being made whole and complete. we have told our kids that the baby was not healthy enough to survive and God did what he needed to protect this little one and ease the pain. sorry for my ramblings as i don't know if any of this made any sense or not or what i might have left out. i really don't know much medical terms and only heard about 1/2 of what was said as i was still trying to figure this whole thing out. but i feel that i have more friends on this forum than in the town i live in, so i just wanted to keep you up to date.................thanks for reading.
 
Now That I've Collected My Thoughts

I work at a big hospital with a big neonatal intensive care unit. I work daily with babies born as early as 22 weeks. As you can imagine, many of those babies have a difficult time, and don't survive for long. It's very sad. One night, after a particularly sad loss at work, I went home and poured out my feelings and distress to Greg. He said, "You know, those babies who die right away are the _lucky_ ones. They get to go straight to heaven, straight to their reward, without having to be tested by the toils and trials of life on earth. We may be sad to have lost them, but they are being called home to God without any of the sadness and heartache and hardship that the rest of us go through first." I never thought of it that way, just thought in terms of what they were missing, not what they were getting. It's helped me very much to deal with things at my job that are otherwise unfathomable.

Nanci
 
Nanci said:
I work at a big hospital with a big neonatal intensive care unit. I work daily with babies born as early as 22 weeks. As you can imagine, many of those babies have a difficult time, and don't survive for long. It's very sad. One night, after a particularly sad loss at work, I went home and poured out my feelings and distress to Greg. He said, "You know, those babies who die right away are the _lucky_ ones. They get to go straight to heaven, straight to their reward, without having to be tested by the toils and trials of life on earth. We may be sad to have lost them, but they are being called home to God without any of the sadness and heartache and hardship that the rest of us go through first." I never thought of it that way, just thought in terms of what they were missing, not what they were getting. It's helped me very much to deal with things at my job that are otherwise unfathomable.

Nanci
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Well said Nanci.
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Ryan McCullough
MC Reptiles
 
thank you both.............that is what we are feeling and have told the kids. it is better to have this happen than to allow someone to live a miserable life. he/she is in a far better place now and it will be our little "treasure" in heaven when we do arrive.

p.s.........i had forgotten to mention that if anything could be good out of this, it was the staff. everyone has been so helpful and waiting on her constantly. i went home to be with the kids around midnight last night and when i came back an hour or so later. they had brought sheets, a blanket and three pillows for me to have in my chair. the initial hospital dr. when nothing was seen on the sonogram even teared up when the news was told. very well-trained and thoughful nurses/doctors.
 
Sorry to hear that Galen. I hope your wife isn't taking it too hard (or you either, for that matter). Hope she recovers quickly.
-Dean
 
So sorry to hear this, all my love to you and your family in a difficult time, hope you all recover together and that you can move on together in health and happiness for the new year. Janine
 
Galen, I'm so sorry to hear of this. Here's to a quick recovery for you both, and brighter days in the new year. :cheers:

regards,
jazz
 
Sorry to hear about the loss, Galen :( I've been there before and it's rough. Although, my doctor was a real jerk.. told me over the phone while I was at work that the pregnancy wasn't viable. Didn't ask for me to come in, didn't check to see if I had any kind of support.

One difference though was that my body still thought I was pregnant, still had all the symptoms. Needless to say I found myself another doctor to perform the D&C.

I hope both of you are looking after yourselves, And I agree with the others, it's a special soul who is called back up right away.
 
I am so sorry for your loss. I wish you all a speedy recovery and only good things in the new year.


Joanna
 
thank you to everyone who has expressed their feelings as it means so much to us right now. words cannot describe what is going on but thanks again to you guys/gals.

(3:45 pm) water broke finally
(3:50 pm) baby boy fetus emerged (first time to find out)
(5:00 pm) placenta and cord were removed

our little one was probably about 4"-5" long and we just found out it weighed in at 2.3 ounces. neither one of us looked as decided and just took the nurses/doctors word for it. hopefully we will be out of here by midnight and she can get into her own bed. i am not sure if i need to get up at 5:00am and go to work in the morning. both our parents are here now to help with the kids.

thanks again.
 
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((((((Galen/Mrs. Galen))))))) I think you should stay home with Mrs. Galen. Trying to go to work, even though it would take your mind off things (like that's really possible)- every time you looked at anyone, or anyone said anything to you- it'd be so emotionally hard. Mrs. Galen needs you, even if she says she'll be ok. Take a few days to start to heal.

Nanci
 
I am so sorry to hear about your loss, I know it is difficult to lose a child, having been through 2 miss-carriages myself. *hugs* Hang in there, both of you.

Jenn
 
Galen, I'm so sorry. I can't even imagine anything like that happening. You guys will be in my thoughts. :::hugs:::

~Katie
 
thank you to everyone who has posted.............believe it or not, it helps more than you know. we have been home for a few days now and denise is still having a very hard time. i am trying to be the supporter for her and not let it effect me as much but it is still very hard. things that you take for granted or don't even pay attention to come into play everyday. just this morning i went to the local grocery store to pick up a rose for my daughters 15th birthday today and noticed a sign towards the front of the parking lot. right up front next to where the carts/buggies are parked and the handicapped parking signs are was a parking sign that read "reserved parking for expecting mothers"................ :eek1: had never seen it before. anyway, thanks to all of you again, it was noticed.
 
I am so sorry to hear all this. I haven't been around because of sick family, so just not seeing this. I know that you guys are home and starting to get back into your routine, but if either of you need anything, please let us know. We will be more than willing to help out where we can.
 
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