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New morph?!
- Thread starter CornLove
- Start date
E. g. guttata
Her name was Mary-9/17/05
Looks like he's just and anery to me. He should be anery het hypo. Is that coral tone really there like that or is that a trick of the camera??
bballmatt100
New member
Joe, have you ever seen an anery with red inbetween the saddles? :sidestep:
cornmorphs
New member
to be honest it will take breeding to show anything not to mention that pictures on the net are not always easy to see.
for instance i cant see red on that snake, or pink.
for instance i cant see red on that snake, or pink.
Roy Munson
New member
CornLove said:
Just because Kathy couldn't id the morph from a photo doesn't necessarily make it something new and special. I've seen anerys and ghosts with this coloration. I'll bet it turns out to be a nice looking snake, but that breeder has a lot of work cut out for him in proving that it is a new morph or genetic trait.
Here's a link to a pic of an amazon corn. Of course, it looks like a normal in terms of color to me, and yours looks anery. Neither looks so far out of the range of variability of normals and anerys to be instantly classified as something new. Time will tell.
amazon corn
Joejr14
Grand Bubble Burster
If that snake paired with an anery or charcoal doesn't either produce anerys or charcoal I'll do backflips from here to China.
I see nothing abnormal about that snake----it has pink hues. Do a search and check out Susan's ghosts and anerys---plenty have that same coloration.
I'd be VERY surprised if it's a new morph. New morphs take years to prove out---you don't hatch something out that perhaps look slightly off and proclaim it as a new morph.
I see nothing abnormal about that snake----it has pink hues. Do a search and check out Susan's ghosts and anerys---plenty have that same coloration.
I'd be VERY surprised if it's a new morph. New morphs take years to prove out---you don't hatch something out that perhaps look slightly off and proclaim it as a new morph.
PtDnsr
I like calculus
The following is taken from Rich's website on the Silver Queen Ghosts:CornLove said:
Therefore, going by Rich's definition of Silver Queen (and I'm pretty sure he's the one that started producing them, correct me if I'm wrong) you would have an anery x silver queen (which is anery and hypo) which would produce anery het hypo. Now it could just be the silver queen influence coming through but IMO I'm with Joe and that's an anery. Very pretty but an anery and not a new morph.
~Katie
kathylove
Pragmatic & Logical
Although the photo emailed to me did look a lot like an anery with lots of pink (on my monitor), I did not want to say for sure what it was or wasn't from the photo supplied. I asked for the person to send me another photo after a few months growth to evaluate again. I believe it to be a really pretty anery (I have produced a few really pink ones myself), but was not willing to to make any judgments based on the photo I saw. I really don't like to positively ID corns from photos (my monitor is not that great anyway) unless it is totally obvious from the photo supplied. But being cautious doesn't always mean that I think it is a new morph. As mentioned, it takes a lot of breeding trials to establish whether something is really new or not. There is just too much variation in the various morphs to always know 100% just by looking.
However, as it ages, I think you will find it to be a really nice, pink, anery.
Good luck!
However, as it ages, I think you will find it to be a really nice, pink, anery.
Good luck!
bballmatt100
New member
Ahhhh. Kathy's wonderful words of wisdom. :crazy02:
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
The thing I find interesting about the snake is that the pink hues are in the ground color, and NOT in the saddles. Most of the pinks and peaches seen in Anery's and Ghosts are in the saddle, and I've only seen (not that others don't exist, and I obviously haven't seen even close to them all) one other Anery that had pink in the ground color and not the saddles. It was in a post I created with a pic of a similar looking Anery. The anery I posted is from a friend here in ND, and the background on it is unknown as it was purchased through a pet store who had acquired it from a wholesaler.
Here's the thread: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23306
And here's one of the pics again:
D80
Here's the thread: http://www.cornsnakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=23306
And here's one of the pics again:
D80
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Shep151 said:
Well those were my thoughts on the snake I posted, but I'll have to convince her that we need this guys services! :grin01: Looking at a lot of lavenders, that same color pops up in the background area which was my very first impression of both snakes that lavender may be fooling around as either a het or a homo trait. As always . . . breeding trials!
D80
Clint Boyer
'Former' Snake slave
From the few I've seen, the softer, pastel colors are gone from the anery/lav combination.
Drizzt80
Dakota Corns
Joejr14 said:
Way to cover yourself Joe! I really wanted to see those backflips! If you crossed a Pewter with a Charcoal, you'd get Charcoals as a result . . . does that mean the diffused didn't exist in the Pewter?
While I don't think the snake(s) in question are a 'new morph' so to speak, there must be something going on to cause the GROUND color to turn pink like that in an Anery snake. What, Joe, is causing that unique affect? As for referring to Susan, even Susan indicated in my original thread that she hasn't seen ghosts with coloration like that . . .
D80
princess
Cornaholic
Hi Kathy,
...it's all my fault....
I'm actually the one who told Lars he should ask one of the 'top of the cornsnake food chain' people about this particular snake as he was advertising it as an anery bloodred which I told him it is most clearly not.
I tried explaining that, no, anery with pink/red tones does not equal anery bloodred and explained to him how the diffusion gene affects pattern and colour, citing examples of pewter and lavander bloodred.
...but...
He's now marketing it as a new morph and calling it 'blackberry'.
So I can see a number of 'het for blackberry' cornsnakes being on the market in the coming years but it's really no more correct than saying het for sunglow or het for candycane. All this snake is is an anery that shows some attractive pinks...I own one myself infact and never thought of her as anything but an anery with some nice pinks.
I totally respect Lars and Annette as breeders. I actually bought my first cornsnake from them and they produce top quality snakes and geckos that are well established as hatchlings before they're sold and in top condition but I do think there has to be a little more self control and test breeding from breeders before an interesting individual can be written up as a new morph.
...it's all my fault....
I'm actually the one who told Lars he should ask one of the 'top of the cornsnake food chain' people about this particular snake as he was advertising it as an anery bloodred which I told him it is most clearly not.
I tried explaining that, no, anery with pink/red tones does not equal anery bloodred and explained to him how the diffusion gene affects pattern and colour, citing examples of pewter and lavander bloodred.
...but...
He's now marketing it as a new morph and calling it 'blackberry'.
So I can see a number of 'het for blackberry' cornsnakes being on the market in the coming years but it's really no more correct than saying het for sunglow or het for candycane. All this snake is is an anery that shows some attractive pinks...I own one myself infact and never thought of her as anything but an anery with some nice pinks.
I totally respect Lars and Annette as breeders. I actually bought my first cornsnake from them and they produce top quality snakes and geckos that are well established as hatchlings before they're sold and in top condition but I do think there has to be a little more self control and test breeding from breeders before an interesting individual can be written up as a new morph.