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New morph?!

I have no idea what is causing that 'unique' effect. The point I was trying to make was that just because there's some pink hues on the ground color does not make it a new morph. It's an anery het hypo, from what we've been told unless there is some other gene at work. Is it possible that the silverqueen and the anery were het for lavender and perhaps that's what is causing this? Sure.

But, that also doesn't mean that there is something special about the snake in question. It has some pink hues in the ground color---it's not like we've got an anery with a solid pink ground color and dark black saddles. Perhaps there's some unknown thing that affects ground color and we don't know what it is.

Point being is that it's irresponsible to proclaim something a bit different as a new morph---especially when you haven't done any test breedings and decide to come up with a trade name and then start selling het.

Maybe you should get your hands back on that anery/ghost your friend has and pair it with a normal and sell Drizzt80 hets---but of course you wouldn't do that. That's my whole point.
 
Joejr14 said:
I have no idea what is causing that 'unique' effect. The point I was trying to make was that just because there's some pink hues on the ground color does not make it a new morph. It's an anery het hypo, from what we've been told unless there is some other gene at work. Is it possible that the silverqueen and the anery were het for lavender and perhaps that's what is causing this? Sure.

But, that also doesn't mean that there is something special about the snake in question. It has some pink hues in the ground color---it's not like we've got an anery with a solid pink ground color and dark black saddles. Perhaps there's some unknown thing that affects ground color and we don't know what it is.
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But there IS something unique going on with this snake. Again, I've obviously not seen even close to all of them, but I have only seen 2 pictures of Anery's that have a pink background and not saddles. That's pretty unique. Obviously it can't be labeled a new morph until test breedings are done and the trait is recovered in an F2 generation, BUT the question is now there. And you are correct, I wouldn't even venture to label it a new name without breeding evidence to back it up.

The thing is, it's very easy to discount and be skeptical of a new morph just popping up . . . but, it works the other way too. If my memory of history serves me correctly, the origination of the bloodred/diffused pattern morph came from some Normal corns that were just a bit 'odd' looking, yet I'm sure many would've called 'just normal corns' at the time. :eek1: If we don't explore these new things popping up, how will we find new and interesting things to work with (though, in my opinion it's been hard enough keeping caught up the way it is!!).

Again, I'm not jumping on some band wagon to say this is a new morph, but we also can't be so definitive to say that it's not. Both possibilities are what has to be proven. Until it is proven, the only thing we can definitely say is that it's an Anery het Hypo. And I know that's what you are saying Joe, but the part I disagree with is that you say it's not anything else, and the chance that it is something else is there. Know what I mean? :shrugs:

D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
Again, I'm not jumping on some band wagon to say this is a new morph, but we also can't be so definitive to say that it's not. Both possibilities are what has to be proven. Until it is proven, the only thing we can definitely say is that it's an Anery het Hypo. And I know that's what you are saying Joe, but the part I disagree with is that you say it's not anything else, and the chance that it is something else is there. Know what I mean?
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I dig it. While IMO it's irresponsible to market it as anything but a funky Anery het Hypo, it does have an interesting hue to it, and bears investigation. I, personally, might give a couple extra ducats for a pair of its kids... :shrugs:
 
Shep151 said:
I, personally, might give a couple extra ducats for a pair of its kids... :shrugs:
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hehehehe -beat you to it!

I've already asked Lars if we should set up a breeding project in a couple of years with his 1.0 pink anery and my 0.1 anery who looks just the same but has a more pink/tan rather than pink/coral!
 
Interesting? Attractive? That's a matter of opinion. I personally prefer hue-less anerys, but that's just my taste and I know a lot of people think those are cool. ;)

Unique? Not really. We hatched a few of these. Here's one example: http://cornguide.com/ACR/Registry.php?idnum=26

Stephen has those snows with tons of pink ground color on them. They are popping up in a lot of places. It may be selective breeding, may be a gene.

It's definitely worth testing out to see if an inheritance pattern can be nailed down, or if it is even heritable. Until then I don't think that slapping a trade name on them is a good idea. The point of a trade name, IMO, is to describe a group of snakes by a common trait, not "this here particular specimen."
 
Serpwidgets said:
It's definitely worth testing out to see if an inheritance pattern can be nailed down, or if it is even heritable. Until then I don't think that slapping a trade name on them is a good idea. The point of a trade name, IMO, is to describe a group of snakes by a common trait, not "this here particular specimen."
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100% agreed on both points.

I notice the example snake you posted is possible het Hypo . . . Was he pink all the way down the body when younger, or did it 'spread'.

I also pulled out an Anery het Lava today that I recieved recently from DevilzNight, and it has some pink to it's ground color as well. Quite honestly, the darn thing looks like a ghost!!

Here he is:
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You can't seet the coloration as well in this pic, and it's pre-shed (I just wanted to take a quick snapshot so I could get it up on my site.), but looking at him today, there's some pretty strong pink coloration in the background as well.

Also, I've noticed that the example I posted, the example starting off this thread, Serp's and my anery het lava are all males. Haven't seen a pic of princesses yet to include it, but if it's got the same coloration, it would be the only female . . . anything there Serp? Sex linked affect similar to Hypo Lavs and others that people are guessing at?

D80
 
Drizzt80 said:
I notice the example snake you posted is possible het Hypo . . . Was he pink all the way down the body when younger, or did it 'spread'.

Also, I've noticed that the example I posted, the example starting off this thread, Serp's and my anery het lava are all males. Haven't seen a pic of princesses yet to include it, but if it's got the same coloration, it would be the only female . . . anything there Serp? Sex linked affect similar to Hypo Lavs and others that people are guessing at?
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That male's pink was apparent within the first shed or two.

I think that there's definitely some sex-linked coloration going on. It is most visible to me in anerys and lavenders. There are just way too many examples of male/female differences to deny it. I think it's like saying "height in humans is sex-linked because men are taller than women." There may be some females that are more extreme than some males, but it is still a good "general rule" to go by, just don't depend on it to always be true. ;)

As far as het hypos having a bit different coloration, I have seen a lot of it, too, and I think there's some kind of connection. Some of it may be selective breeding influences from people trying to make lighter and lighter hypos. But in clutches where there are hets and non-hets, there often seems to be a pretty good division of light/dark hatchlings. One of these days we need to try to quantify that... the "hypo experiment" and the "caramel experiment" I have mentioned in other threads and in the Morph Guide would be a good start. :)
 
Maybe it will grow up to look like mine, without the Motley. (Grin) He's an Anery Motley proven het Hypo and Amel.


 
anerys

i have seen a anery that had a solid bright pink background,it was about 7 or 8 years ago ! Tim Rainwater was selling it for 1,500 bucks! Anyway alot of ghosts and anerys vary alot! As in the coral ghosts :cool:
 
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